Labour supporter Jack Monroe defects to Green Party

[DodgyAgent]

Who counts them? as a percentage of cats in the world, buildings etc they probably kill above their weight

US windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International

[pjclarke]

Who counts them?

US windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International

Good question. Yes - Some of the early windfarms, especially in Spain, Norway and the States were sited without proper environmental assessments, resulting in some being built on important migration and feeding routes for birds of prey, if you just look at those, as some studies did, you get a skewed result.

Thorough environmental assessment is vital to ensure that all ecological impacts are fully identified prior to consent of any development. If wind farms are located away from major migration routes and important feeding, breeding and roosting areas of those bird species known or suspected to be at risk, it is likely that they will have minimal impacts.

RSPB

[d000hg]

Who counts them? as a percentage of cats in the world, buildings etc they probably kill above their weight

US windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought | Save the Eagles International

If you increase the bar in the graph above 10X in size, it's still smaller than MF's twinkie.

[vetran]

If you increase the bar in the graph above 10X in size, it's still smaller than MF's twinkie.

A personally disappointing experience one assumes?

[hyperD]

Good question. Yes - Some of the early windfarms, especially in Spain, Norway and the States were sited without proper environmental assessments, resulting in some being built on important migration and feeding routes for birds of prey, if you just look at those, as some studies did, you get a skewed result.

This is a meme that gets you scuttling back to your beloved site in order to reload your link pornage gun, clarky.

Windmills are creating mortality on birds that aren’t at risk by cats or large buildings. The bigger birds (birds of prey such as raptors, buzzards, eagles, kestrels, falcons etc.) are long-lived and have low reproductive rates. And don't forget about the bat carcasses scattered around the concrete monstrosities that the windmill owners employees have to pickup each morning due to barotrauma.

We're talking additionals on top of natural existing causes of bird fatalities.

And let us all relish in the wonderful display of cognitive disonance as the RSPB tried to resolve its cause of saving everything bird, but still wishing to get a big free slice of taxpayer funding that is the bottomless pit of CAGW spondoolies, 'cos windmills trump dead birds when it comes to funding, mkay.

RSPB - Royal Society for the Prevention of Birds.

[pjclarke]

Logic Fail. The first domesticated cats killed birds not previously at risk, the first tall buildings killed birds not previously at risk from cats and so forth.

Even the Spanish, not especially renowned as nature lovers have introduced feeding stations away from the turbines, and a programme of switching off when birds are in the area. This produced a 50% drop in fatalities for a 0.07% drop in output.

It's a brave man who claims to know better than the RSPB about avian welfare, but then use of the silly CAGW tag makes you hard to take seriously ...

[hyperD]

Ha ha! You know, I could have almost modelled that predicted response!

[DodgyAgent]

I do feel sorry for the left. They have lost the argument about the morality of paying tax. exposed by the appalling way in which the money is spent on social engineering and dreadful public services that are run for the benefit of those that run and work in them. Just about every socialist government has managed to kill the golden goose and run economies into the ground. The so called "do good" of left wing ideology has simply impoverished more people and dropped living standards

Their next cause is to pin their colours to the "do good" cause of climate change with which they can bash the capitalist system and play out all their self loathing guilt and envy and exert control over the rest of us. They are however now being exposed as self serving zealots who will opportunistically take any event and use it to manipulate us into fearing them.

I dont know why they just do not accept that there are people more successful than they are and that beneath all the condescension about people less well off than themselves they actually don't give a sh*t. That the capitalist system that benefits them should be lauded and used to put to shame the corrupt leaders of third world countries.

[pjclarke]

Ha ha! You know, I could have almost modelled that predicted response!

Which is why you had your killer response all lined up. Fact is, all forms of generation have an environmental impact, and wind has one of the lowest. Heck 6 people a day are killed mining coal.

[EternalOptimist]

Heck 6 people a day are killed mining coal.

6?? They must be getting fed up with that by now