Moslems and Charlie Hebdo

[original PM]

It is as I have said before - the Muslims will not denounce ISIS because they are fighting for what the Muslims actually believe in - the whole of the Earth as an Islamic state.

We know many people are recruited in Mosque to join extremist groups and yet is anything being done about it? No because there is silent support.

Yes some Muslims are being killed - that is because the Jihadis do not see them as true Muslim because they are working for infidels.

As more and more people are staring to say if you want sharia law then f**k off to a country which has it - you know the country where women are regularly beaten and mutilated and the people are deliberately oppressed to maintain an illusion of control.

[SueEllen]

Jordan is moderate by Saudi standards.

The most democratic Islamic states are Indonesia, Malaysia and Senegal. (On the democracy index score.)

[d000hg]

Fixed that for you.

It's well established that the majority of victims of Islamic terrorism are Muslims.

It's possibly true that in its more vitriolic days, the majority of victims of Christian violence were Christians. Inquisitions and such - religious leaders are often more obsessed keeping their own people 'clean'?!

[TykeMerc]

It's possibly true that in its more vitriolic days, the majority of victims of Christian violence were Christians. Inquisitions and such - religious leaders are often more obsessed keeping their own people 'clean'?!

I don't think that there can be any doubt. The truth is religion has nothing to do with belief (that's faith) it's all about political control and exerting power on a massive scale.

In a grim reflection of the horrors perpetrated by Christian sects on members of other Christian sects for the better part of 2,000 years Islam is doing the same thing and has been doing so for hundreds of years. At the simplistic level Shia and Sunni sects don't see eye to eye at all and have been slaughtering each other for centuries.
It's evident that the sunni IS lot are killing an awful lot of other muslims because they don't agree on the interpretation of some bits of "holy" writing.

[vwdan]

It is as I have said before - the Muslims will not denounce ISIS because they are fighting for what the Muslims actually believe in - the whole of the Earth as an Islamic state.

What a complete and utter load of uneducated and uninformed crap. Not only are you attempting to group millions of people into one single sentence and group, but it's completely at odds with:

Yes some Muslims are being killed - that is because the Jihadis do not see them as true Muslim because they are working for infidels.

[minestrone]

I find the rampant collectivism of Je suis Charlie just as disturbing as militant Islam.

[d000hg]

I don't think that there can be any doubt. The truth is religion has nothing to do with belief (that's faith) it's all about political control and exerting power on a massive scale.

No, that's not THE truth, it's just quite a common fact. Religion isn't inherently as you describe, but the temptation of power - sadly - is.

[xoggoth]

The most democratic Islamic states are Indonesia,

Maybe once. Indonesia is increasingly fundamentalist and dangerous for non Muslims.

Extremism Overpowering Indonesia

The moderation in Malaysia is also only relative. Malaysia has a dual legal system which sounds OK except when a non Muslim is engaged in any legal action with a Muslim when he/she has appear in a Shariah court where he can only be represented by Muslim lawyer. Non Muslims were recently barred from using the term Allah, although it has also been their word for god for centuries.

Some sub Saharan countries like Senegal have traditionally been moderate, probably because all foreign faiths are still diluted by animism. Given events in Nigeria, Niger, Chad etc. it is questionable how long that will last.

[MicrosoftBob]

I find the rampant collectivism of Je suis Charlie just as disturbing as militant Islam.

People reading an allegedly satirical magazine yup that is the most disturbing thing ever

When the planet is taken over by left wing cartoonists I'll eat my words, until then I'm a bit more worried about the misanthropes on a rampage

[meridian]

Moslems and Charlie Hebdo

I find the rampant collectivism of Je suis Charlie just as disturbing as militant Islam.

Quite. The very same politicians that were marching in Paris in support of "free speech" no matter whether it offends someone, are now trying to censor Twitter trolls for being offensive.