The Terrorists are winning

[Chico]

So according to your logic, someone must have created the Creator. Who was that, then, thicko?

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc... in fact they are all part of the creation as well so off course he would not be subject to the laws of his creation. Can your self styled atheist reasoning compute that?

[AtW]

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc... in fact they are all part of the creation as well so off course he would not be subject to the laws of his creation.

chico, why won't you **** off? There are no recruits for your whacky cult here, just go away and never come back. Try it in Africa or some other 3rd world country.

[oraclesmith]

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc... in fact they are all part of the creation as well so off course he would not be subject to the laws of his creation. Can your self styled atheist reasoning compute that?

So the Creator exists outside the rules of logic, then ? Well, I suppose that is the basis of belief.

[sasguru]

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc... in fact they are all part of the creation as well so off course he would not be subject to the laws of his creation. Can your self styled atheist reasoning compute that?

Ah. Finally you get it. Allah the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc. That is why people are blowing themselves up.

[CaribbeanPirate]

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc...

If god is outside all creation then by definition he cannot intervene in nor perceive of anything within creation. There can be no relationship with god, again by definition; so all religion and its claims have to be a creation of man.

[Chico]

Ah. Finally you get it. Allah the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc. That is why people are blowing themselves up.

Is this the same Allah, who according to the Koran, is a deceiver? The same Allah who commands all Jews and Christians to be killed according to the Koran. The same Allah, according to the Koran, who commands Muslims to use whatever means to ensure unbelievers covert to Islam, even at the pain of death. The same Allah, according to the Koran, who commands anyone who leaves the Muslim faith to be killed? Well if your atheistic logic equates that to a God who says love and pray for your enemies, the same God who stepped out of eternity and die on a cross for the sins of the world. Well that just sums up the stupidity of atheist reasoning.

[xoggoth]

No fan of Islam as you know but does the Koran actually say that? I saw the same thing said the other day with a link to the specific passage and when I checked, in my interpretation anyway, what it said was kill those who persist in war against Islam. Not quite so unreasonable with that qualification. There is enough to criticise in fundamentalist Islam without having to resort to inventions.

[Chico]

No fan of Islam as you know but does the Koran actually say that? I saw the same thing said the other day with a link to the specific passage and when I checked, in my interpretation anyway, what it said was kill those who persist in war against Islam. Not quite so unreasonable with that qualification. There is enough to criticise in fundamentalist Islam without having to resort to inventions.

Dude - you obviously have not read the Koran. I have.

Below is a starter for five. The Suras are listed so you can look it up.

From the Koran:

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

There is much more and unlike Biblical historical descriptions these read in context are commandments for Muslims.

[The Master]

But you, of course, embrace them with your brotherly love, don't you?

[lilelvis2000]

Dude - you obviously have not read the Koran. I have.

Below is a starter for five. The Suras are listed so you can look it up.

From the Koran:

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There is much more and unlike Biblical historical descriptions these read in context are commandments for Muslims.

Interesting then that you quote them out of context!