Rehabilitation of Offenders

[AtW]

Your objection to people protesting about clubs wanting to take him on appears to be because you believe he was wrongly convicted.

No, my objection disregarded it.

However when I looked at details of the case I am now seriously wondering if this conviction is beyond reasonable doubt.

The facts are that he is a convicted rapist.

For now he is, but there were people who got convicted for murders and did many years in jail before they got released as innocent. Given that he did not plead guilty I think it's reasonable to give him benefit of the doubt in my view.

Either way mob rule isn't acceptable, I am not saying he was convicted due to mob rule, but he is certainly being prevented from being reintegrated to society by the mob rule.

[vetran]

He is eligible to work, he has served the prison time required and wants to work. He is being stopped by baying mob.


The conviction has always looked a bit odd.

[turbowoowoo]

So you would rather not see a convicted rapist who has been freed from prison to resume his career as a footballer because he is a rapist.

But... A footballer who kills two children its ok

Would you also be happy that this convicted rapist served you or the female members of your family in Tesco? or at the forecourt garage? Or collected your bins on a dark Friday morning from your house?

come on...

[SueEllen]

So you would rather not see a convicted rapist who has been freed from prison to resume his career as a footballer because he is a rapist.

But... A footballer who kills two children its ok

Yep because there is a difference in their attitudes - linky

Would you also be happy that this convicted rapist served you or the female members of your family in Tesco? or at the forecourt garage? Or collected your bins on a dark Friday morning from your house?

come on...

You aren't comparing like with like.

Sex offenders have more restrictions on them working with people than someone who causes death by dangerous driving.

A sex offender isn't allowed to work with children and vulnerable people. if the sex offender raped/sexually assaulted adult women then employers also have a duty of care to their female employees, so depending on the number of women and type of role it was they simply wouldn't be employed.

So a sex offender wouldn't be employed to work employed to work in a Tescos store or to collect the bins. They could however be employed at some warehouses and at a recycling centre to sort rubbish.

[AtW]

Yep because there is a difference in their attitudes - linky

Yes, for sure. One has killed two children (which is something beyond reasonable doubt) and probably said "I am very very sorry!", and the other one had sex with a drunk girl who later said she did not give consent, he maintains his innocence and served time in jail... is it fundamentally wrong to maintain ones innocence despite attractiveness of choosing to plea guilty?

[SueEllen]

Yes, for sure. One has killed two children (which is something beyond reasonable doubt) and probably said "I am very very sorry!", and the other one had sex with a drunk girl who later said she did not give consent, he maintains his innocence and served time in jail... is it fundamentally wrong to maintain ones innocence despite attractiveness of choosing to plea guilty?

Chef Evans is a typical sex offender who refuses to acknowledge and admit they have done wrong. They are actually one of the worse groups of criminals for doing this.

One of the first steps to being rehabilitated is to admit you have done wrong so you can change your behaviour, and who you associate with so you won't do the same thing again. While you are unlikely to have killed people drunk and in your car before, you are very likely to have committed similar sex offences before.

You need to be aware that people get caught committing crimes by the police but the CPS often doesn't prosecute offences due to them deciding there is not enough evidence, deciding the victim isn't good enough to go to court and/or the perpetrator's age. The CPS has actually had to pay compensation to victims of sex offences due to this. This case probably wouldn't have gone to court without the witnesses and the men involved behaviour.

In short if a person (as men get raped as well ) is too intoxicated to stand up on their own don't have sex with them.

[AtW]

Chef Evans is a typical sex offender who refuses to acknowledge and admit they have done wrong. They are actually one of the worse groups of criminals for doing this.

But surely a killer of 2 children is much much worse than what he did?

[SueEllen]

But surely a killer of 2 children is much much worse than what he did?

It's about which ex-con is likely to do the same thing again.

[AtW]

It's about which ex-con is likely to do the same thing again.

Is it really?

So this guy is more likely to rape it again if he does NOT get a football job that pays well, instead he'd be more likely to be a law abiding citizen who stays all his life on unemployment benefits?

[vetran]

My personal experience with the legal system and profession leads me to doubt they could find their rear end with a lit firework poking out of it. That is if they could take time off from invoicing their grandmother.

He is unable to say sorry for committing a crime if he is pleading innocence. He may not want to if he believes himself innocent. He & his friend testified he had consent.

The reason he wasn't granted an appeal because there is no new evidence, there is no mechanism for retrying a case because they got it wrong.

Miscarriage of justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


now is he an immoral scumbag almost certainly yes. Would I warn my daughters about people like him - definitely. Do I want to see him locked up for an offence I'm not certain he committed - no.

Do I want to prevent him working when he is legally allowed to because I think I know better? - no