11 dead in French shooting

[darmstadt]

freedom of expression is not freedom to insult. We have laws against things like that. Go ahead pop round to your local Mosque and declare that Mohammed is gay just as their cartoons suggested, come back and tell us how you get on.

if you consider attacks on firmly held religious beliefs fair comment then you might want to reconsider.

Attacking ISIS, Aspects of culture such as underage marriage, genital mutilation in my mind are all fair game.

Poking the bear for pleasure is a bit stupid.

Killing because of a magazine's output is obviously far worse.

As they, Charlie Hebdo (Charbonnier in fact), said:

If you start by asking whether or not you have the right or not to draw Muhammad … then the next question is, can you put Muslims in the paper? And then, can you put human beings in the paper?

In the end, you can’t put anything in, and the handful of extremists who are agitating around the world and in France will have won.

[vetran]

Some of these are quite funny but some of them are just insulting.

Charlie Hebdo: French Satire Magazine's Shocking Covers (Photos) - The Daily Beast

[NotAllThere]

Deliberately offending large numbers of people who hold particular beliefs just because you happen not to like them is puerile, but should never be criminal.

French humour is weird, but anyone who fails to condemn these murderers unequivocally is siding with them.

[darmstadt]

Some of these are quite funny but some of them are just insulting.

Charlie Hebdo: French Satire Magazine's Shocking Covers (Photos) - The Daily Beast

We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard.

Maybe they should have censored it like the do in the USA:

[NotAllThere]

Freedom of expression certainly includes the freedom to insult. You git.

[SpontaneousOrder]

freedom of expression is not freedom to insult.

Yes it is. Lol.
We also have freedom to take offence or not.

This kind of negative freedom is possible.

Your kind of positive freedom (i'm obligated not to express whatever I like in case someone chooses to take offence) is impossible to define or enforce in any kind of non-contradictory or non-arbitrary way.


I.e. the former is a right. The latter is whim.

[darmstadt]

I wonder if Ian Hislop is getting police protection....

...these are ones I just find funny. Some of the ones from Titanic and Konkret (2 German satirical magazines) are much more biting, quite often more so than Hebdo...

[barrydidit]

And why nobody in that newspaper had a legit gun for self defense??? Given the content they publish such attack should have been expected.

Most likely scenario; they guy who had it would have been in the bog. They once had a Maginot line for self defence after all.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Attacking ISIS, Aspects of culture such as underage marriage, genital mutilation in my mind are all fair game.

I don't mean to deliberately pick on your posts in particular...

But this is the problem. What on earth is "in my mind" supposed to mean to any one else? Why should anyone care what's fair game in your mind?

It's either fair game, or it isn't. Otherwise your claim that freedom of expression isn't freedom to insult is pretty meaningless.

I might argue that in my mind it's ok to express one's self freely, except on a full moon. Why would mine be any more or less valid than yours?

[FatLazyContractor]

And why nobody in that newspaper had a legit gun for self defense??? Given the content they publish such attack should have been expected.

On those lines, every one of us here should have a gun for our views !