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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostHaving testers just means the developers start cutting corners - why bother to verify that something works when that's the tester's job? Which means more bugs are reported and the management take that to mean the quality of the product has improved - all thanks to their decision to hire testers. All they've actually done is increase the size and inefficiency of the team.
A good tester will test the whole system not just the specific bit the developer has changed, hopefully their testing will also be much better than a developers, it's their profession. You want your developers to test as they go but it's a waste of resources to turn your devs into testers.
I did read an article from a startup owner, who got rid of his testers because the testing was taking too long and they couldn't meet their release cycles (i think every two weeks). So his answer was to get rid of the testers and he told the developers to take responsibility for their own testing. He said it worked really well for him, but I could imagine his developers either being less productive or working longer hours to ensure they didnt release code that was going to take the site down.Comment
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Speaking of Testers.... where is Mich these days?Bazza gets caught
Socrates - "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
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If dev's could do their job right in the first place there would be no need for testers!Originally posted by Stevie Wonder BoyI can't see any way to do it can you please advise?
I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.Comment
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Originally posted by cailin maith View PostSpeaking of Testers.... where is Mich these days?
But the good news is he is now in regressionComment
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostI did read an article from a startup owner, who got rid of his testers because the testing was taking too long and they couldn't meet their release cycles (i think every two weeks). So his answer was to get rid of the testers and he told the developers to take responsibility for their own testing. He said it worked really well for him, but I could imagine his developers either being less productive or working longer hours to ensure they didnt release code that was going to take the site down.
But it is always a good idea to have a second pair of eyes check something. If I were setting up a software team I'd hire only developers and tell them they'd all have to spend a bit of time testing each other's work. That also has the advantage that everybody learns more about the whole system rather than focussing on just the bit they did and if bug reports come from developers they tend to be a bit more useful and so require less time to find and fix the issue.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by zoco View PostWhere exactly do they fit in the pecking order?
Got one here and she's a right little bossy boots. Always referring to us as "my developers".
Gets right on my tits.
The way I see it is that it is us developers that do the jokes....
(..mind you, some of the places I've worked, that statement could be taken literally)
Originally posted by tarbera View PostMitch had a serious illness
But the good news is he is now in regressionDown with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Depends on the scale too.
My lot are testing alot of interdepedent code that no-one dev has been involved end-to-end. Now you can polish it as much as you want, if it doesn't hang via real use cases it wont get released.
I need my testers there to ensure the client (havent seen much mention of that yet...) doesnt get a pile of ....., hence jeapordising the creditability of the project team. Impacting future funding and contract renewals.
I have turned acouple of the BAs into testers too, they are the only ones with 100% pass rates, amazing that
You lot are writing like one-man-banders which is fair enough for smaller deployments. Its the biggies where you have interdependencies that bring more ££££ anf future contracts.Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostThe thing is if a developer spends a bit extra verifying what he's done does actually work it might only take an extra 10 minutes. Whereas if you think something's done, move on, then have to come back to it a week later because a tester has found a problem it might take you a couple of hours to get set up again and remember how everything worked. So it's much more efficient to have the developer find problems in their own code.
But it is always a good idea to have a second pair of eyes check something. If I were setting up a software team I'd hire only developers and tell them they'd all have to spend a bit of time testing each other's work. That also has the advantage that everybody learns more about the whole system rather than focussing on just the bit they did and if bug reports come from developers they tend to be a bit more useful and so require less time to find and fix the issue.
Good testers are able to think the way a stupid user would; developers struggle with thatOriginally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostNever has it been more true to say they are the testers, you are the testes.
Got it out his system, did he?Comment
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