You reap what you sow

[dundeegeorge]

You thought christians weren't allowed to lie

But their whole view of existence is based on lies.
Their book is one bunch of liars interpreting what another bunch of liars did or said (or didn't and didn't, if you see what I mean).
FFS even their 'rock' St. Peter lies in the bible, and that's according to them!

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Answered questions

I answered it earlier on the in thread

I'm afraid that is simply untrue, Chico.

[ChicoLondon]

Re: Answered questions

Lucifer asked

So, is there any room in the Christian heaven for people who "do the right thing for the wrong reason" as it were? Say, for example, the tribesman who lives a good life, is kind to his neighbours, selfless and all the rest of it, but has never even heard of Christianity never mind been baptised into the Christian church?

I replied

Well I do not decide who gets into heaven but I personally believe everyone will get at least one opportunity in their lifetime to hear about Jesus and have a chance to accept or reject him. This way Christians are very focused on evangelism - taking the Good News to every nation. Its our "Great Commission".

Romans 9 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."[f]

[sasguru]

Re: Answered questions

Ok, but what about the mass of humanity who existed eons before Christ's appearance e.g. the ancient Mayans, Hindus, Egyptians, Greeks etc. There is no way they could have heard of Jesus.
Are they condemned to eternal damnation?

[dundeegeorge]

Simply untrue

Well perhaps, but I believe I see the problem here.
You're attempting to discuss this issue in a sort of real world, planet earth, physical universe way, so why you would expect agreement or understanding from chicken is a bit of a mystery.
Try dropping some acid and putting on some Kraftwerk (or possibly early Floyd) very loudly indeed and then read chico's postings. You'll find that they make no less sense (yeah I know it's not very helpful, but life isn't just about knowledge, pleasure counts too!)

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Answered questions

Well I do not decide who gets into heaven but I personally believe everyone will get at least one opportunity in their lifetime to hear about Jesus and have a chance to accept or reject him. This way Christians are very focused on evangelism - taking the Good News to every nation. Its our "Great Commission"

Chico, old boy, that is not an answer to the question, it's a convoluted evasion combining elements of "I don't know" and a statement that has no basis in fact (that everyone will have an opportunity to hear Jesus' message), which additionally takes no account of those born before Jesus lived and died.

The New Testament does seem to say that eternal life is for card carrying Christians only, condemning those who have never even heard the message, but have otherwise led good and blameless lives, to damnation forever. This representation (some would say misrepresentation) by the Christian church of the words of God and His son does not stack with the concept of a compassionate God who loves all of His creations.

[lilelvis2000]

Re: Answered questions

1. More people coming than ever to faith in Jesus Christ
2. Christianity making a positive impact on billions of lives worldwide bringing forgiveness, healing, faithfulness and hope
3. Bringing justice and liberation to the oppressed, weak and the forgotten

Who honestly beleives this..except the evangelists and their brain washed followers. Next you'll be telling me...we went to Iraq waving the bible to save the souls of the Iraqi people!

[DodgyAgent]

Re: Answered questions

1. More people coming than ever to faith in Jesus Christ
2. Christianity making a positive impact on billions of lives worldwide bringing forgiveness, healing, faithfulness and hope
3. Bringing justice and liberation to the oppressed, weak and the forgotten

Prove:

1. That this is happening and

2. If it is, how much has to do with "Christianity"

specifics specifics specifics please

[hyperD]

Re: Answered questions

It's all down to that ridiculous load of Amway-esque nonsense of the Alpha course that Gumbel has bought over from the states.

The mission to weed out the challengers, take the rest down to Butlins so you can experience the spirit of the lord in some kind of macarbre show, shivers n shakes and talking tongues.

If you believe all that then you really should enjoy Mr Brown and Mr McKenna on stage.

[dundeegeorge]

Hey that is unfair

McKenna is entertaining, and I know of no recorded instances wherein he has advised people under his influence to burn witches, stone people for using god's name, beat demons out of children, execute gays and treat women as second class citizens (actually that one always worries me, what are they so frightened of?).
Unless there was also a show on ITV which I missed ;-)