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However I suggest you too read the Bible rather than pluck out things from the air.
I'd rather pluck things from the thin air myself rather than rely on the rambling jottings of a few men who've obviously overdosed on the old Juniper Berries...
Face it Chico, you lose again, as usual. No doubt you will take comfort in one of your delusions. You know the one: "But I really understand things, like Daniel did".
Chico will ignore your post because he doesn't have an answer.
He will simply refer you to the bible and tell you to find your own answer.
Alas, you are probably both correct, so in the spirit of good will I shall have a quick look.
The Gospel of St John appears to reference the point. Once as already mentioned:
14:6. Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me.
And also:
15:6. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned.
That does seem to say that Jesus has abandoned all those who lived before him, or who have never heard his message to eternal torment. This does not stack well with a God who loves all of His creations, or really support the idea that the way you comport yourself in life will count in your favour come the day of reckoning if you have not heard the message. Again, perilously close to "what you say is more important than what you do."
Its interesting that is the usual suspects who keep coming up with the same tired arguments about Christianity, The Bible etc etc. Thankfully the facts tell a different story.
1. More people coming than ever to faith in Jesus Christ
2. Christianity making a positive impact on billions of lives worldwide bringing forgiveness, healing, faithfulness and hope
3. Bringing justice and liberation to the oppressed, weak and the forgotten
The deluded can put their heads in the sands and bleat till the cows come home - you are on the losing side.
Its interesting that is the usual suspect who keeps coming up with the same tired arguments for Christianity, The Bible etc etc. Thankfully the facts tell a different story.
1. More people coming than ever to faith in Jesus Christ, but not as a percentage of humanity.
2. Christianity making an impact on billions of lives worldwide bringing intolerance, stupidity, abrogating your duties and responsililities to the impressively-titled, faithfulness without reason, hopelessness and futility.
3. Bringing injustice and intolerance to those who are not weak, oppressed or forgotten.
The deluded can put their heads in the sands and bleat till the cows come home - you are on the losing side. (Well you got that one right OK, trouble is that you are the deluded one)
>> I answered it earlier on the in thread. If Lucifer and others cannot be bothered to accept it - then tough!!
I thought Christians weren't allowed to lie. You have just lied as you have not answered Lucifer's query anywhere. I've checked.
PS He also took your advice and read the Bible. It seems, according to the Bible, that there is a proportion of humanity who have been condemned to damnation with no chance of succour.
Chico, what arguments and bleating? It's an observation and question.
Christians say that their God is one who loves all of His creations and that ultimately we are judged by our actions in life. The words of His son, as written by others many years after his death, do not seem to accord with this at all, painting a picture of an arbitrary God who has abandoned billions of human beings to eternal torment and seems to value what people say at least as highly as what people do.
I was interested in the take on this of a person who presents himself as somewhat of an authority on Christian matters.
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