Let the fighting begin

[KentPhilip]

They need to Persuade Mr Brown to stand for the Scottish Parliament.

[Flashman]

Labour are dead in Scotland , they stood side by side with the Tories. I actually prefer the Tories over labour, Ruth Davidson was only one in the no camp with any sense.

Tories had the guts to fight on the issues.

The Labour party largely campaigned in order to keep its Scottish MP's in Westminster.

If an independent Scotland had political advantage for them they'd have been all for it.

[d000hg]

By panicking and making all these rash promises, they've opened the door to a total revamp of the UK political setup. Arguably, this means more changes than if Scotland had left.

[tomtomagain]

By panicking and making all these rash promises, they've opened the door to a total revamp of the UK political setup. Arguably, this means more changes than if Scotland had left.

I think it plays well to the Tories.

If they can push through a reform that stops Welsh/Scottish MP's voting on "English Matters" then their position will be substantially stronger.

[mrdonuts]

lets face it Scotland only stayed because of the last minute promises, if they dont get it there will be a few million angry scotsmen and independence will be back

[minestrone]

lets face it Scotland only stayed because of the last minute promises, if they dont get it there will be a few million angry scotsmen and independence will be back

I disagree, I don't think that made much of a difference.

[tomtomagain]

lets face it Scotland only stayed because of the last minute promises, if they dont get it there will be a few million angry scotsmen and independence will be back

You have nothing to back that assertion up with. For a long time most of the polls we're predicting a 55% NO vote.

There was only one rouge poll that put YES in front.

More rationally is that the YES campaign for all their bluster and cynical attacks on the "Westminster Elite" and the "Union" were found wanting.

They had no answer to the currency question. Or the European question. They could never give clear reasons why separation would benefit the majority of the Scottish population.

They tried to invoke the feeling that somehow Scottish people are oppressed and under the English "Yoke". But that is utter trash ... as anyone with half-a-brain can see.

Scots are not oppressed by the English. They live in a free democracy that is so confident in the will of the people that it voluntarily allowed a vote that would have split it up. How many other countries do that? Would China give a vote to the Tibbetans? Russia to the Chechen's? India to the kashmir's? Spain? France? Belgium?

When any difficult issue was raised by the NO it was palmed off with : "Bullying", "Bluffing", "Scaring" and "Tory Toffs", "Westminster lies". They attacked the man and not the message. A sure sign that they have nothing to offer.

NO won fair and square. There will be some in the YES camp that like to blame the media. I've seen some claim that somehow their fellow citizens were "scared" ( rather than accepting that they lost the argument ). Some will be very hurt and disappointed. That's not surprising given the passion that was put in. But in 2 months they'll have got over it. In 6 months time we'll be living in a different Union. One that may last another 300 years.

That's the power of the UK. Re-invention.

Independence for Scotland is off the agenda for at least another 30 years. And probably longer. As next time there wont be any oil to base a false economic strategy on.

[Unix]

You have nothing to back that assertion up with. For a long time most of the polls we're predicting a 55% NO vote.

There was only one rouge poll that put YES in front.

More rationally is that the YES campaign for all their bluster and cynical attacks on the "Westminster Elite" and the "Union" were found wanting.

They had no answer to the currency question. Or the European question. They could never give clear reasons why separation would benefit the majority of the Scottish population.

They tried to invoke the feeling that somehow Scottish people are oppressed and under the English "Yoke". But that is utter trash ... as anyone with half-a-brain can see.

Scots are not oppressed by the English. They live in a free democracy that is so confident in the will of the people that it voluntarily allowed a vote that would have split it up. How many other countries do that? Would China give a vote to the Tibbetans? Russia to the Chechen's? India to the kashmir's? Spain? France? Belgium?

When any difficult issue was raised by the NO it was palmed off with : "Bullying", "Bluffing", "Scaring" and "Tory Toffs", "Westminster lies". They attacked the man and not the message. A sure sign that they have nothing to offer.

NO won fair and square. There will be some in the YES camp that like to blame the media. I've seen some claim that somehow their fellow citizens were "scared" ( rather than accepting that they lost the argument ). Some will be very hurt and disappointed. That's not surprising given the passion that was put in. But in 2 months they'll have got over it. In 6 months time we'll be living in a different Union. One that may last another 300 years.

That's the power of the UK. Re-invention.

Independence for Scotland is off the agenda for at least another 30 years. And probably longer. As next time there wont be any oil to base a false economic strategy on.

The poll put yes in the lead then Westminster started promising all sorts the next few days, then the polls went back to no's leading. Why would Labour/Tory/LibDem stand together and promise so much if it "didn't make a difference" It would have swayed most voters. If it isn't delivered there will be another referendum no doubt about it.

[malvolio]

By panicking and making all these rash promises, they've opened the door to a total revamp of the UK political setup. Arguably, this means more changes than if Scotland had left.

The leaders made the promises, pretty much unilaterally. Sadly, Parliament won't support them; oh shame, never thought of that...

They will deliver in time, but I suspect Cameron's cunning plan will be to wrap it up in a package that covers the whole UK, not just our Caledonian brethren.

[d000hg]

The leaders made the promises, pretty much unilaterally. Sadly, Parliament won't support them; oh shame, never thought of that...

They will deliver in time, but I suspect Cameron's cunning plan will be to wrap it up in a package that covers the whole UK, not just our Caledonian brethren.

A total reshape of the political landscape in that timeframe would be rather a rush job. Unless it's been in the works and Cameron actually planned his "rash promises" to give him the excuse to do this. That would suggest he's actually pretty smart although I see no reason to doubt that.