Reply to: Let the fighting begin

[Churchill]

The Scottish people have just said "we're not really sure so we'll stick with the status quo for the time being".

The Nats just need to :-

• get Scottish membership of the EU and use of the Euro currency sorted.
• Wait until Conservatives are re-elected (in England obviously)
• Hold another referendum.
• Win referendum.

Good luck with that. As others have said it'll be another 30 years before you get the chance.

[Flashman]

And lose again?

You really should accept the will of the Scottish people. They have spoken.

The Scottish people have just said "we're not really sure so we'll stick with the status quo for the time being".

The Nats just need to :-

• get Scottish membership of the EU and use of the Euro currency sorted.
• Wait until Conservatives are re-elected (in England obviously)
• Hold another referendum.

[Churchill]

This time without fake bribes at the last minute.

Something told me you were going to be a sore loser and that really makes me happy. I'm even happier knowing that there are another 1 million or so just like you.

[xoggoth]

Good post. I agree it will need proper powers for the English too, including excluding Scottish MPs from any say in laws affecting us in which they themselves have full self determination. Anything else will cause massive resentment. I can also see how Labour will try and fight such plans given the importance of the Scottish vote for their party. It may be messy.

On funding, it appears that the extra money per head the Scots get will be maintained and some may also resent that. However, it is not unique that some parts of the UK, also mostly Labour voting areas, get extra funding. Look at how much money goes to poorer boroughs in London like Tower Hamlets. That is the nature of any modern society which practices a degree of socialism and redistribution of wealth from rich to poor and, within reasonable limits, it is not a bad thing. Also it is not unreasonable IMO that the Scots should get more of the wealth from offshore oil in Scottish waters.

If they can work it out, it will be a very good thing if all of us get more say over our own affairs.

[Unix]

And lose again?

You really should accept the will of the Scottish people. They have spoken.

This time without fake bribes at the last minute.

[Churchill]

Get Lawyered up and have another referendum

And lose again?

You really should accept the will of the Scottish people. They have spoken.

[Unix]

Are they, how? What are you gonna do about it? Build a big wall?

Get Lawyered up and have another referendum

[Old Greg]

Are they, how? What are you gonna do about it? Build a big wall?

They're going to vote Yes, that's what.


Oh hang on.

[d000hg]

The promise was a panic job when yes were starting to lead, it managed to sway enough to vote no and delivered them the referendum. It will have to be a rush job as the consequences of breaking the vow are going to be very very bad.

Are they, how? What are you gonna do about it? Build a big wall?

[tomtomagain]

Why would Labour/Tory/LibDem stand together

Because the Union is worth fighting for? Ever considered that? Stop thinking of your country as Scotland and start thinking of it as the UK and you'll soon accept the outcome.

I really pleased with the result. We're on the path to greater de-centralisation of the entire country and we will finally address the power imbalance caused by the "West Lothian question".

And to top it off Salmond is gone. What a great start to the weekend.

Enjoy. I'm going to.

[Old Greg]

The promise was a panic job when yes were starting to lead, it managed to sway enough to vote no and delivered them the referendum. It will have to be a rush job as the consequences of breaking the vow are going to be very very bad.

This vow will not be broken. It may of course be delayed slightly while a Royal Commission is set up before a wider consultation is undertaken followed by a period of sober reflection. You've missed your chance, matey.

[Unix]

A total reshape of the political landscape in that timeframe would be rather a rush job. Unless it's been in the works and Cameron actually planned his "rash promises" to give him the excuse to do this. That would suggest he's actually pretty smart although I see no reason to doubt that.

The promise was a panic job when yes were starting to lead, it managed to sway enough to vote no and delivered them the referendum. It will have to be a rush job as the consequences of breaking the vow are going to be very very bad.

[Old Greg]

I do hope they do get what they were promised - it could get quite messy if they don't...

Who are they?

[d000hg]

The leaders made the promises, pretty much unilaterally. Sadly, Parliament won't support them; oh shame, never thought of that...

They will deliver in time, but I suspect Cameron's cunning plan will be to wrap it up in a package that covers the whole UK, not just our Caledonian brethren.

A total reshape of the political landscape in that timeframe would be rather a rush job. Unless it's been in the works and Cameron actually planned his "rash promises" to give him the excuse to do this. That would suggest he's actually pretty smart although I see no reason to doubt that.

[malvolio]

By panicking and making all these rash promises, they've opened the door to a total revamp of the UK political setup. Arguably, this means more changes than if Scotland had left.

The leaders made the promises, pretty much unilaterally. Sadly, Parliament won't support them; oh shame, never thought of that...

They will deliver in time, but I suspect Cameron's cunning plan will be to wrap it up in a package that covers the whole UK, not just our Caledonian brethren.