Victim blaming, or sensible advice

[mudskipper]

"There is no excuse for mugging. A person should be able to walk through all areas freely waving a wad of £50 notes."

While this also self-evidently true, it's not exactly helpful to the discussion. Chanting these mantra is a substitute for informed argument and actually engaging brain.

Four legs good. Two legs baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahd.

But do you think walking through a dodgy area waving your wad and getting mugged is equivalent in terms of "asking for it" as a woman who has a drink and gets raped? (...or wears a short skirt and gets raped, or walks home alone and gets raped, or.... you get the gist...)

[EternalOptimist]

But do you think walking through a dodgy area waving your wad and getting mugged is equivalent in terms of "asking for it" as a woman who has a drink and gets raped? (...or wears a short skirt and gets raped, or walks home alone and gets raped, or.... you get the gist...)

not at all.
risk is the chance of something happening multiplied by the impact

the impact of losing your wodge is a lot less than being physically assaulted (esp sexually)

so its daft to wave your ass or your assets, but one carries a much greater risk

[SueEllen]

not at all.
risk is the chance of something happening multiplied by the impact

the impact of losing your wodge is a lot less than being physically assaulted (esp sexually)

so its daft to wave your ass or your assets, but one carries a much greater risk

Have you been walking around with your eyes closed for the last month?

Due to the weather the majority of women under 50 are wearing above knee length skirts or shorts in the day AND night. This discussion implies if one of us dares drink alcohol in the evening/night then we are asking for it.

I'm also ignoring those of us who do exercise in short and/or tight shorts and then go for drinks afterwards including non-alcoholic ones without changing before going home in the evening/night.

If you talk to women who are from or lived in certain Arab countries they will tell you they get abuse regardless of how long and non-figure hugging the clothes are they are wearing. If you also meet women who say they were sexually assaulted or raped in the UK a lot will tell you they weren't wearing the stereotype.

You can hide the fact you have lots of cash from people but most women can't easily hide the fact they are female.

[SueEllen]

Indeed I think birds believe in this 'new man' stuff, should we tell them?

Some men always had manners and were more empathetic compared to their male peers.

[NotAllThere]

But do you think walking through a dodgy area waving your wad and getting mugged is equivalent in terms of "asking for it" as a woman who has a drink and gets raped? (...or wears a short skirt and gets raped, or walks home alone and gets raped, or.... you get the gist...)

The point was that unix's sheeplike mantra is a replacement for reasoned discussion.

But in answer to your question not at all. And anyway, whether I think she's asking for it is kind of irrelevant. Unfortunately, there are a small minority of men who do think she'll be asking for it, and answer that question. I think that "women should be able to wear what they want" and "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" are not mutually exclusive.

[jmo21]

The biggest problem is when that scenario happens, sex happens and then in the morning one of the parties starts to play a different tune to the night before.... and that is why we have grey areas.

Surprised no one picked up on this.

Rape discussions inevitably end up with someone saying this.

"Men being falsely accused of rape is a problem" (and I know you didn't say men, you said 'one of the parties')

This not a common occurrence AT ALL. It is a minor footnote in any discussion about rape.

Of course, it has happened, and it could absolutely ruin a mans life, but it so uncommon that is largely irrelevant in any discussion about rape.

[MyUserName]

"Men being falsely accused of rape is a problem" (and I know you didn't say men, you said 'one of the parties')

This not a common occurrence AT ALL. It is a minor footnote in any discussion about rape.

Of course, it has happened, and it could absolutely ruin a mans life, but it so uncommon that is largely irrelevant in any discussion about rape.

How do you know?

Surely it is possible that a large majority of men who are accused but not convicted of rape were falsely accused?

[mudskipper]

Here's some reading about false reporting

One Reason Why False Rape Allegation Statistics Are So High | Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog

And from closer to home:

Rape Crisis Scotland | Campaigns & Fundraising

[mudskipper]

And, for balance, the opposite argument

Facts and Statistics about False Rape Claims - A Primer. : MensRights

[mudskipper]

What I don't understand is why people (and not just men) are so keen to disbelieve women who report rape. If someone reports an assault, "Do I believe you?" isn't usually the starting position.