Is paedophilia is natural and normal for males?

[BrilloPad]

I probably could have structured that paragraph better.

#susanalbumparty

Read fine to me. You mentioned mid teen girls. So I assumed 16+. Nothing illegal about that if they consent.

I had to look up the definition of pedophilia. Apparently it refers to girls under 13.

[EternalOptimist]

Anyone who claims its all about the shape and 'the look' would also be confessing that they got a semi on when they saw Roger Taylor in this

[mudskipper]

Read fine to me. You mentioned mid teen girls. So I assumed 16+. Nothing illegal about that if they consent.

I had to look up the definition of pedophilia. Apparently it refers to girls under 13.

Ah, I didn't know that.

In that case, No.

Presumably it refers to boys as well?

[OwlHoot]

Ah, I didn't know that.

In that case, No.

Presumably it refers to boys as well?

I thought paedophilia was pre-puberty, and adult activity with underage teenagers was pederasty.

But one doesn't hear that word much these days, and Google's "define pedarasty" says "sexual activity involving a man and a boy"

Also, the word "hebephilia" rang a faint bell, and sure enough Google results include "The DSM-5's diagnostic criteria for pedophilia and the general medical literature defines pedophilia as a disorder of primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children, thus excluding hebephilia from its definition of pedophilia."

According to Wikipedia, Hebephilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is 11 - 14 and there's even "ephebophilia" for adult activity with 15 - 19 year olds.

God, it's complicated!

[EternalOptimist]

God, it's complicated!

the papers dont help
that's why you get peadiatricians having bricks thrown through their windows and being chased down the street

[tractor]

And I've realised my post sounds like I've fallen foul of my other pet rant - suggesting the victim is partly responsible, because of what she chooses and is allowed or encouraged to wear.

To be clear - I'm suggesting that dressing girls sexually may result in men thinking about sex with girls.

Any man who then sexually abuses a girl is entirely responsible for his own actions.

I can't win an argument - even with myself.

I know exactly what you are trying to say. The adults who should be responsible are at fault. You are correct. I hope the bit that I added helps.

[tractor]

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I'm pretty sure if you ask most men if they fancy children they'd say no.

But plenty of other societies do marry off children.

I think, here, there is a big problem with the sexualisation of children (girls). My son was most amused the other day when I ranted "Why would you dress your 11 year old daughter as a prostitute and post the pictures on facebook?". Comments on said picture were "sexy, like her mama", which her mama had 'liked'. If we make girls look sexy, it's hardly surprising if men think about sex when they see them. Most models have the figures of 11 year olds.

The "legal now" headlines in tabloid press when Charlotte Church and Emma Watson turned 16 simply wouldn't have happened for Justin Bieber or Daniel Radcliffe.

We've got to let girls look and behave like kids.

It shouldn't have happened regardless. What an abuse of media position indeed.

[Doggy Styles]

The construct of childhood is based upon an arbitrary age. Men are predisposed to finding the shape of a woman/girl attractive. Breasts, hips, fuller lips etc all of which come with puberty. Whereas I don't think there is a predisposition for pre-pubescent girls, men are programmed to look at pubescent girls and women.

WMFS.

This is probably the most reasoned answer to the main point.

[NotAllThere]

I can certainly appreciate a pretty girl or young woman, but I find the idea of having sex with someone much younger than me, faintly repellent. Probably because sex is inextricably linked with relationship for me, and I can't imagine having any kind of genuinely emotionally intimate interaction with a woman under 30 or so.

[xoggoth]

It may be. Some relationships may also be loving rather than abusive and a few cases I recall show that children are not always unwilling victims.

However, given that very many might be abused and damaged, it still makes sense to have a law that prevents them being put in that position until most have the confidence to deal with it. Some children might make good soldiers but it is probably not a good idea to let them enlist.