How long will rofl harris get?

[KentPhilip]

One thing that puzzles me is why hasn't Harris said anything? Either "I'm sorry" or "I'm not sorry", or "I didn't do it" etc. Why does he feel the need to conceal his opinion on the subject now that he's been convicted?

[mudskipper]

One thing that puzzles me is why hasn't Harris said anything? Either "I'm sorry" or "I'm not sorry", or "I didn't do it" etc. Why does he feel the need to conceal his opinion on the subject now that he's been convicted?

Perhaps he's not sorry. Perhaps he doesn't think what he did was particularly bad.

Entirely possible I suppose, if he made a habit of doing that type of thing, that he genuinely doesn't remember the specific instances (apart from the daughter's friend, which was a bit different).

[SueEllen]

Aside from the fact memories get repressed, "he abused me" isn't very detailed. Even details of what he's supposed to have done don't incriminate if you're reporting as an adult (as a child you are less likely to know what thing he might have done). To be strong evidence you'd need to know the date, the place and other details... if it was a recent crime you'd be expected to say details like what he was wearing, which room it was in, yada yada.

You clearly haven't given a witness statement ever have you?

If you remember precise details then the police and CPS think you are lying.

That's one way they catch people who fake crimes.

No-one tells the same story with exactly the same details repeatedly particularly with precise ones.

The CPS in lots of crimes use the fact that there is more than one witness and/or the accused has a pattern of behaviour to risk taking a case to trial.

In the case of abusers like Harris, Saville and Clifford (as MS said before) the fact that witnesses independently showed someone was/is an abuser got them convicted. In the case of rape convictions this is why they are so low, as it's one person's word against another.

Also as a child you are aware of the parts of your body even if you don't know the names for them. You also are aware of people hurting you. Why else do you think the through out history they thought that beating children would make them learn when they did something wrong?

[SueEllen]

Perhaps he's not sorry. Perhaps he doesn't think what he did was particularly bad.

The judge said he showed no remorse.

A court reporter I heard on the radio said he didn't seem sorry either on different occasions during the trial.

[d000hg]

Also as a child you are aware of the parts of your body even if you don't know the names for them. You also are aware of people hurting you.

You seem to be looking to argue a point I didn't make. Nobody claimed otherwise. I never said a child wouldn't remember being abused.

If I state that Rolf touched my bum when I was young and if I can't remember how old I was or where it was, and I never told my parents, what weight is that supposed to carry exactly? If I, as an adult, go into explicit detail into what Rolf allegedly did to me, that doesn't make it any more believable either.

So the question stands - how do you tell one person's story is real and another's is false? Purely because lots of people finger the same attacker? But as soon as it goes public they presumably get a non-trivial number of weirdos alleging attacks "I was at TOTP and he grabbed my willy" and a judge/jury has to decide how many of the cases are real to sentence on each one (I think).

[BrilloPad]

Perhaps he doesn't think what he did was particularly bad.

Sadly this might be true. Some abusers think that kids will behave the same as adults when touched. Not that it should mitigate atall. Got to think of the victims.

[xoggoth]

Does not seem long. Item in local news today, a taxi driver got 9 months for briefly cupping an adult female passenger's knocker.

[d000hg]

Does not seem long. Item in local news today, a taxi driver got 9 months for briefly cupping an adult female passenger's knocker.

That just seems ridiculous unless there are past offences.

[mudskipper]

That just seems ridiculous unless there are past offences.

What do you think is an appropriate sentence for a taxi driver grabbing a customer's breast?

Bear in mind that women get taxis because they're supposed to be a safe way of getting home.

[Unix]

You seem to be looking to argue a point I didn't make. Nobody claimed otherwise. I never said a child wouldn't remember being abused.

If I state that Rolf touched my bum when I was young and if I can't remember how old I was or where it was, and I never told my parents, what weight is that supposed to carry exactly? If I, as an adult, go into explicit detail into what Rolf allegedly did to me, that doesn't make it any more believable either.

So the question stands - how do you tell one person's story is real and another's is false? Purely because lots of people finger the same attacker? But as soon as it goes public they presumably get a non-trivial number of weirdos alleging attacks "I was at TOTP and he grabbed my willy" and a judge/jury has to decide how many of the cases are real to sentence on each one (I think).

Funny you won't believe victims of historic abuse but you believe some guy rose from the dead 2000 years ago. . Typical religious moron.