Indian agencies

[psychocandy]

Exactly, this is the point - they will hire a permie consultant at good/market salary (say 100k) and then rape them for knowledge before getting rid of them. Contractors are treated much the same except that the rate is poor to begin with.

But then any professional worth their salt knows the relationship between peanuts and monkeys. It's just not worth working for these consultancies - the mode of operating is endemic in their culture.

I suppose then 1/4 of this - £25K is, in effect, paying for 3 months work (60 days say). Just over £400 a day for a high end consultant - bargain.

[psychocandy]

Yes once I was expecting a call from the end client and some Indian guy form the agency called me, I didn't understand a word of what he was asking so I just hung up after 10 minutes and on another occasion they forwarded my CV and planned a phone interview with the end client and didn't bother to let me know anything about it, so I got called in the middle of a meeting for an interview.

Yep. I had one. Waited for call in middle of day (I was at client and just popped outside for 10 mins) didnt happen so I gave up. So then they called 3 hours later and were put out that I couldnt do it.

Once I had a guy ask me my opinion on something pretty specific and in depth. He kept grilling me. Then I twigged this 'interview' was just a chance to get a free support discussion off someone to solve a problem they had.

[JoJoGabor]

I have the misfortune of working for a client right now who have outsourced to TechMahindra. The tactics and politics the senior managers play are unbelievable. Getting people fired who don't agree with them, even pulling false accusations to get rid of people. I feel sorry for people working for them, locals and Indians as they are treated so badly. I have seen grown men in tears. It makes me so angry these incompetent bafoons are allowed to operate in this country and still keep winning business. Their consultancy rates are less than my day rate, yet I deliver more than 10 of their consultants.

[kal]

I have the misfortune of working for a client right now who have outsourced to TechMahindra. The tactics and politics the senior managers play are unbelievable. Getting people fired who don't agree with them, even pulling false accusations to get rid of people. I feel sorry for people working for them, locals and Indians as they are treated so badly. I have seen grown men in tears. It makes me so angry these incompetent bafoons are allowed to operate in this country and still keep winning business. Their consultancy rates are less than my day rate, yet I deliver more than 10 of their consultants.

And that is the problem,why are they allowed to take work from UK techies so blatantly, that is why I will be voting UKIP, not because I want/agree with their politics but because its the only way to get the mainstream parties to take notice.

[stek]

Slightly OT but I remember when I was working in Newcastle, when for dinner after work alone and was listening to this Bob on a table with business-dressed woman, he was obviously either pitching something or reporting progress on something and I was earwigging.

It was embarrassing, every question was taken like a personal attack, and what stuck me is how the Indian accent is unsuited to eschewing confidence and competence, everything the guy said you said mentally 'Yeah, right...'

[psychocandy]

And that is the problem,why are they allowed to take work from UK techies so blatantly, that is why I will be voting UKIP, not because I want/agree with their politics but because its the only way to get the mainstream parties to take notice.

But the problem is that big companies in the UK look at cost first and foremost. They see resource for peanuts and go for it. Manager gets promoted for saving £x per year.

Then it goes tits up and gets insourced again.

[psychocandy]

I have the misfortune of working for a client right now who have outsourced to TechMahindra. The tactics and politics the senior managers play are unbelievable. Getting people fired who don't agree with them, even pulling false accusations to get rid of people. I feel sorry for people working for them, locals and Indians as they are treated so badly. I have seen grown men in tears. It makes me so angry these incompetent bafoons are allowed to operate in this country and still keep winning business. Their consultancy rates are less than my day rate, yet I deliver more than 10 of their consultants.

Nearly went for a gig at BT working for Indian consultancy. Must admit I was a bit concerned - heard some bad things.

[evilagent]

Slightly OT but I remember when I was working in Newcastle, when for dinner after work alone and was listening to this Bob on a table with business-dressed woman, he was obviously either pitching something or reporting progress on something and I was earwigging.

It was embarrassing, every question was taken like a personal attack, and what stuck me is how the Indian accent is unsuited to eschewing confidence and competence, everything the guy said you said mentally 'Yeah, right...'

With regards to accents, the same has been proven scientifically for the birmingham accent.
(in that it illicits no confidence in the speaker)

god/allah/buddha (delete as applicable) help you if you are a "bob" from brum.

[kal]

But the problem is that big companies in the UK look at cost first and foremost. They see resource for peanuts and go for it. Manager gets promoted for saving £x per year.

Then it goes tits up and gets insourced again.

Yep and the reason for that is the mainstream parties lying down and opening the borders for all and sundry. They are all beholden to these big corporations to let in as many cheap workers as they can so that they can profit off the back of it. Companies making billions while paying workers 6 quid an hr minimum wage. Workers should get a decent living wage ( = no more benefit top ups, Working Tax Credits etc to enable people to live), it wont happen but one can dream

[kal]

With regards to accents, the same has been proven scientifically for the birmingham accent.
(in that it illicits no confidence in the speaker)

god/allah/buddha (delete as applicable) help you if you are a "bob" from brum.

That really is a nonsense statement, bobs are from the Indian subcontinent not Birmingham, still you are an agent so I am impressed that you can actually type.. well done.