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    #11
    Originally posted by kal View Post
    Not in my book, previous place I was at was up against it with deadlines and requested that all contractors either did an extra 1.5 hrs a day or came in on Saturday until release, we all went for option 1 and they agreed that as we were on a daily rate we could book it as working on Saturday.

    Don't do it for gratis as then you are in effect then taking a pay cut.
    I noticed Bellona included the standard corporate threat of "Bonuses" and "Reviews" aswell. It always amused me how much my last corporate believed in flexibility - so long as the flexibility meant me working for free, and not them giving an inch.

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      #12
      Doing longer days and silently invoicing extra when this wasn't agreed isn't on; working extra days it would be reasonable to just bill as normal for that day. If they want regular long days, you need to agree something like switching to an hourly rate.
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        #13
        Originally posted by d000hg View Post
        Doing longer days and silently invoicing extra when this wasn't agreed isn't on;
        Of course not, and I'd never suggest this was acceptable.

        I am at a loss to why the permies work so many hours for nothing in return. I can only imagine it's a mixture of job insecurity and/or dedication?

        I'm really not talking about working 9-6 instead of 9-5 one night, much more a case of working 9-8 and more 5/6 days a week like the permies are doing.

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          #14
          I wouldn't have a problem working longer days within reason i.e. up to 9.5 / 10 hours per day. However, Saturday / Sunday are a different day. Never work them free (unless you are resolving your own cock up).

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            #15
            Originally posted by GB9 View Post
            I wouldn't have a problem working longer days within reason i.e. up to 9.5 / 10 hours per day. However, Saturday / Sunday are a different day. Never work them free (unless you are resolving your own cock up).
            What's your "within reason"? I'd say less than 20% of the time would be acceptable - i.e. one day a week, but if it's the norm, then in my opinion they are getting me for free vs me being a professional and not penny pinching.

            When I was a permie, I had no issue with working an hour or so occasionally, and I'd not claim OT, however sometimes it was 1 hour every night for 2 weeks in which case I claim it all. I guess similar sensibilities should apply here?

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              #16
              Originally posted by someltd View Post
              About what I thought - thanks for confirming this.

              As I work in a much more of a support role than a project based role (although I am working specifically on a project) the whole "as long as you get the work done, it doesn't matter what hours you work" line doesn't really work here.
              Yep. Bum on seat with support. Dont start down the regular long days route though - its a slippery slope. Yeh if it goes tits up stay late to help as long as it works both ways - i.e you want the morning off sometime. If its not reciprocated or they get funny learn the lesson and stop doing it.

              Weekends. No way ever for free. Offer to do at standard rate not a problem for me but authorise it first. Most time I've found that they suddenly dont need you when they realise its not going to be free.

              Yeh they might not like it and ultimately might cost an extension. But don't worry - let some other mug work long hours for free.

              EDIT: Even more so as you contract defines a day as 7.5 hours.
              Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                #17
                Originally posted by DirtyDog View Post

                The last thing you want to do is to give it away, thinking you'll get it paid, and then find out that you won't. Don't fall for someone saying "oh yeah, we'll sort something out..." and then not getting it paid.
                WHS. Got to watch when they say its ok you can have some TOIL. And then everyone forgets about and moans when you take it.

                (and I never like billing for day when I'm not there - its just not right. Would rather bill for weekend day and then take day off to reflect true situation).
                Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by kal View Post
                  Not in my book, previous place I was at was up against it with deadlines and requested that all contractors either did an extra 1.5 hrs a day or came in on Saturday until release, we all went for option 1 and they agreed that as we were on a daily rate we could book it as working on Saturday.

                  Don't do it for gratis as then you are in effect then taking a pay cut.
                  Tidy. As long as they paid the extra.... Had similar when client wanted 12 hour days. Was about to whinge (as I do) when they offered 1.5x day rate. OK then.
                  Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by someltd View Post
                    What's your "within reason"? I'd say less than 20% of the time would be acceptable - i.e. one day a week, but if it's the norm, then in my opinion they are getting me for free vs me being a professional and not penny pinching.

                    When I was a permie, I had no issue with working an hour or so occasionally, and I'd not claim OT, however sometimes it was 1 hour every night for 2 weeks in which case I claim it all. I guess similar sensibilities should apply here?
                    1 day a month.
                    Rhyddid i lofnod psychocandy!!!!

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
                      1 day a month.
                      To clarify - that is 1 day per week I'd be happy to do an hour or 2 extra without invoicing.

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