Security Clearance

[FarmerPalmer]

So there is no change then, still can't get put forward unless you have security clearance in place, so still a closed shop.

Contract advertised, for applicant to either have security clearance or be eligible, as per the new rules, but then agent rings you and says that you won't be put forward because you don't already have it, but of course the advert conforms to the new rules.

[northernladuk]

That is about it yes.

PCG are still on it and making inroads but whatever the law states some agent will still try pull this.

https://www.pcg.org.uk/news-events/b...earance-issues

[SueEllen]

You are allowed to record business calls, or even your own personal calls to make "notes" later.

[malvolio]

I saw one on Jobserve today that demanded pre-existing BCCP... From a Company that recruits into a range of serious HMG suppliers...

FFS, that takes three days and costs a fiver. Faced with ignorance of that magnitude, it's no wonder we can't get anything done.

[Dominic Connor]

Trying to understand this...

Obviously there are roles where some sort of vetting is necessary.

As I understand it the argument is that by requiring clearance, the range of bidders for contracts is reduced pushing up the price for the government.

So to make this a story I'd need examples of where clearance was required for no good reason ?

[stek]

Obviously there are roles where some sort of vetting is necessary.

As I understand it the argument is that by requiring clearance, the range of bidders for contracts is reduced pushing up the price for the government.

So to make this a story I'd need examples of where clearance was required for no good reason ?

DVLA

I was on project build, no access to live, plus it's car number plates and tax discs...

DWP

Build again, no access to live

[eek]

DVLA

I was on project build, no access to live, plus it's car number plates and tax discs...

DWP

Build again, no access to live

Environment Agency

data entry system for farmers. project build no access to live

[northernladuk]

Obviously there are roles where some sort of vetting is necessary.

As I understand it the argument is that by requiring clearance, the range of bidders for contracts is reduced pushing up the price for the government.

So to make this a story I'd need examples of where clearance was required for no good reason ?

You may need clearance just to be on site even if you don't have any direct access to sensitive information. It isn't necessarily needed for the role but for the environment as well.

Here is a role for an SC cleared cleaner....

Cleaner : Another job on . Security Cleared Jobs | DV & SC Cleared Jobs in Security Clearance

Requirements for the role seem pretty simple

* Candidates must have experience in cleaning
* Must be able to be Security Cleared

And they are really going to put someone through SC for two weeks work? I don't think so lol.

[malvolio]

Obviously there are roles where some sort of vetting is necessary.

As I understand it the argument is that by requiring clearance, the range of bidders for contracts is reduced pushing up the price for the government.

So to make this a story I'd need examples of where clearance was required for no good reason ?

To make this a story have a read of this article first, then look through the reference material. There has been a huge amount of work (going back to 2003) and some serious academic research to explain why the Catch-22 is a commercial disaster for both client and contractor. For example, one reason so many HMG projects fail is because they use the same pool of senior staff rather than bring in people with some experience of the real world.


There is nothing wrong with the clearance process or rulebase. No more than 5% of roles demand justifiable pre-clearance and the parameters for those are clearly stated. You don't even need clearance to be on site (that's why there's a strict clear desk policy, so you don't need SC-cleared cleaners) and can access classified material under supervision if there is judged to be little risk. SC is now 2-3 weeks in most cases, and can be fast tracked.

Agencies and prime-contractor clients are 10 years behind the times. That's the real problem.

[SueEllen]

One occassion about 2 years ago I was rung up about a permanent job.

The reason I entertained the call was because the agent stated that the person who took the job on needed security clearance already.

As the company was one that had approached me directly and I had turned it down as it was permanent I told the agent that he was talking tulip.

I explained to him that due to the length of time it takes to hire a permanent employee it doesn't matter if they don't have it at the start they just need to fulfil certain criteria i.e. not be born and brought up in China.