Ideal Job

[NotAllThere]

When you get the gig, don't forget to call the agent and laugh at him for the money he lost.

[Ignis Fatuus]

I have a problem with being lied to. I don't think it's on to pretend you've sent a CV when you haven't, whatever percentage of agencies may do it. It's obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception (or whatever the appropriate offence is now under the Fraud Act 2006), if they manage to cause you not to apply for a role by the fraud of stating they have represented you for it and they subsequently win the bid with a 'better' candidate (read: one that they can fleece more of their rate from). I've no doubt there are agencies out there that operate this way, but I wouldn't deal with anyone I discovered working that way again.

Well said. There is no reason to accept lies and crimes just because "they all do it".

[farout117]

Here's hoping you manage to fix it and get the gig regardless of the behaviour of the recruiter (which was shameful, btw: if they didn't want to put you forward, fair enough, but in that case they should have got out of your way and let you represent yourself to the client if they were so certain you'd fail).

Top tip: put a link to some online content (e.g. a technical blog / online portfolio) on your CV, and have Web Analytics associated with same (Google Analytics is free, but there are others). The upshot will be that you can tell when someone from a given organisation has viewed your online material. If an organisation an agent alleges to have sent your CV to hasn't viewed your online content within 48 hours, you'll know either that the agent is at it or the client isn't serious. Either way, you may decide at that juncture to send your CV directly to the hiring manager, and explain the situation to them in a respectful but direct way. (It shouldn't be that difficult to identify the hiring manager: their LinkedIn profile will be amongst the "viewers of this profile also viewed" list on the agent's own LI profile, since the agent will have looked at their own profile before viewing the hiring manager's). If the agent has already sent your CV, there'll be no harm in sending them an extra copy. If the agent's mucking you about, however, it'll be their loss at that juncture.

This is a very good idea!

However I always find that agents will require you to send your CV in PDF or Word Format, normally Word so that they can edit it, and they are not bothered that much with an online link.

[TOSH1]

When you get the gig, don't forget to call the agent and laugh at him for the money he lost.

The above is very tempting to do. When I first contacted him I emailed him that his agency is representing me for this position and no one else. Can he do anything if I don't go with him and do ot alone?

[TOSH1]

It's not in Pudsey is it!??

No

[cojak]

The above is very tempting to do. When I first contacted him I emailed him that his agency is representing me for this position and no one else. Can he do anything if I don't go with him and do ot alone?

No - he didn't actually put you forward so there is no conflict.

[Sausage Surprise]

Agent did the same to me a couple of years back but I had a contact at the client who told me that my cv wasn't put forward. I contacted another agent off their PSL and I have been here for the last 18 months

[d000hg]

No offence, but you do have an unhappy knack of missing the point and asking daft questions sometimes, doogie. I can see why it frustrates people.

Nobody said anything about IP. As for ISP, yes, it does tell you that, under Technology > Network. And within Technology -> Network you can pick a Secondary Dimension of Town/City; if you're seeing "Massachusetts" then it's because you've chosen to view Region instead.

Anyway, I think we've dragged this particular conversaion off-topic enough, don't you?

I can see why you get under the skin of so many posters with your inability to answer a simple question with having to rub in how much you think you know and how little they do. I consistently defended you, maybe I shouldn't have bothered.

Here's a hint for you sweetheart, when someone tells you they know f-all about something and asks a question which you can easily understand, getting all sarky because their question shows a lack of understanding is just childish; that's WHY they're asking questions in the first place. Either answer the question with grace, or don't bother at all.

I dunno maybe you are just trying to get some street cred by picking on someone, but attacking someone who has supported you out of the blue is pretty pathetic. Makes you as bad as the ones you ganged up on you really.

[tractor]

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Here's hoping you manage to fix it and get the gig regardless of the behaviour of the recruiter (which was shameful, btw: if they didn't want to put you forward, fair enough, but in that case they should have got out of your way and let you represent yourself to the client if they were so certain you'd fail).

Top tip: put a link to some online content (e.g. a technical blog / online portfolio) on your CV, and have Web Analytics associated with same (Google Analytics is free, but there are others). The upshot will be that you can tell when someone from a given organisation has viewed your online material. If an organisation an agent alleges to have sent your CV to hasn't viewed your online content within 48 hours, you'll know either that the agent is at it or the client isn't serious. Either way, you may decide at that juncture to send your CV directly to the hiring manager, and explain the situation to them in a respectful but direct way. (It shouldn't be that difficult to identify the hiring manager: their LinkedIn profile will be amongst the "viewers of this profile also viewed" list on the agent's own LI profile, since the agent will have looked at their own profile before viewing the hiring manager's). If the agent has already sent your CV, there'll be no harm in sending them an extra copy. If the agent's mucking you about, however, it'll be their loss at that juncture.

Depending on how many roles you apply for this could well be a job in itself. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on it. Many roles are handled by more than one agent. If you have the appropriate alerts set up, you will get a quick succession of emails and from the wording of each can easily identify who is dealing with what. Agents are too lazy to do anything other than copy and paste the blurb sent by the client which is why they rarely have a proper specification for a role.

I digress. With each email application, I include my own caveat that says they have an exclusive right to manage my app for this role for 24 hours. If they don't confirm submission of my cv within that time, I reserve the right to apply direct or by other methods. Whether it works or not, I don't know but it might make 'em take me a little more seriously.

[blacjac]

Happened to me a few years ago.

Long story short, agent didn't even know who the client was, he had seen another advert and contacted me direct in order to try and guess the client and muscle in.
By the time I found out and contacted the agent who did have the ability to put me forward, they had already placed someone, but told me they would send my CV over anyway in case they needed more people.

6 Months later, phone call out of the blue, "can you go in for an interview?" Initial 3 month contract and have just signed another renewal taking me well over 2 years.

If you follow it up with then good things can happen