Regarding being replaced by a permie

[cojak]

Depends on the client, when ever this has happened to me I have been expected to prepare a handover to the permie in question

Absolutely. How can you handover properly if you're not given notice?

[bobspud]

I would expect either of these and don't think I would be offended at either. I would not see them 'doing it behind my back'. It is not my position I am in. I am doing a short piece of work and when it is done I move on. It would be nice if they dovetailed him starting to when I leave but I work on the assumption I have a notice period and the client can (and has) invoked it as need be.

What the client does with permies is none of my business.

+1

I expect to be permied out on most of the roles I work on. My current client uses me as a b!tch to do all their hard work then brings in the soft permie to take the service into BAU. It does help to have a straight conversation with the client saying yes I expect you to do this. It puts them at ease that you won't be laying on the floor beging to stay

[AnthonyQuinn]

or do they do it 'behind your back' and simply give you notice when they've hired someone?
P

you are a vendor. They dont need to share their hiring plans with vendors. There's nothing 'behind your back' about it.

However they will be well advised to take your help with the transition and hence will probably inform you.

[Peter Loew]

+1

I expect to be permied out on most of the roles I work on. My current client uses me as a b!tch to do all their hard work then brings in the soft permie to take the service into BAU. It does help to have a straight conversation with the client saying yes I expect you to do this. It puts them at ease that you won't be laying on the floor beging to stay

I agree. That's been my experience too. I do all the project setup work, and when it's ready to run they get a permie in. It's a problem because rarely these days do I see a whole project through.

P

[bobspud]

I agree. That's been my experience too. I do all the project setup work, and when it's ready to run they get a permie in. It's a problem because rarely these days do I see a whole project through.

P

Some people are really good at that. I have a friend who spent years running project startups because his employers realised that he was flipping good at it, and that stuff started by him normally worked quite well because he was a good planner.

At the other end of the scale there is a poor sod that is saying "All I want to do is start 1 project this year coz I'm bored of picking up other peoples plans!!!" A friend at my current customer who is on his 6th project close down and is sick to death of turning up as the project manager that finishes all the transition tasks without any resources.

[VectraMan]

I was offered a permie job at my very first contract client, and the phrase the MD used was "it depends what kind of lifestyle you're looking for". Which says it all really.

I had one extended 2 month handover to an existing permie, but I knew full well that it was coming. It's fair enough; your only obligation or expectation should be the length of your contract, and as long as they don't dump you half way through there's no reason in the world you should be in any way upset by it. And remember, leaving the client with a good impression gets you repeat work. That first client I mentioned I returned to 5 years later.

[quackhandle]

Been in this position many times over the years. Conversation usually goes something like:

Client: "Have you ever considering working as a permanent employee?"
Me: "No."
Client: "Would you consider working for us as a permanent employee?"
Me: "Er..."
Client: "It has a huge number of benefits..."
Me: "What does it pay?"
Client: "Well... Nothing like what a Contractor gets paid..."
Me: "Let me know if you need any help looking over cv's or doing interviews."

Ditto with over half the clients I have contracted for.

qh

[SeekingIT]

So True...........

Been in this position many times over the years. Conversation usually goes something like:

Client: "Have you ever considering working as a permanent employee?"
Me: "No."
Client: "Would you consider working for us as a permanent employee?"
Me: "Er..."
Client: "It has a huge number of benefits..."
Me: "What does it pay?"
Client: "Well... Nothing like what a Contractor gets paid..."
Me: "Let me know if you need any help looking over cv's or doing interviews."

+11

[Sausage Surprise]

Depends on the client, when ever this has happened to me I have been expected to prepare a handover to the permie in question

Happened to me once - 3weeks into a 6 month contract with the NHS. The agent hadn't told me and the client was quite surprised that I didn't know that I had been taken on under those terms.

[psychocandy]

Agree with what others say. You're a resource - up to client if they want to get a permie in - none of your business at the end of the day.

Seems a lot of client prefer contractors anyway. Like someone said, its most than just a salary cost for a permie.

Client I work for is a large european company. They've had loads of redundancies and got a head freeze on for permies. But they keep rolling contractors in because they say its a different budget. Suits me. At least theres no danger of them making an insulting permie job offer to me.