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    Project Management vs. Programme Management vs. Program Management

    Hi All,

    My current client is an interesting one. They're more or less starting their business from scratch, and the business is centered around developing a web-based product that they will ultimately host and 'sell' using a SaaS business model.

    I came in as a PM and have started putting the usual things in place; a PM process (PRINCE2 based but allowing for an Agile delivery model), PID, the usual control documents etc.).

    We've now had a new guy come onboard as an Non Exec Director, who has introduced some interesting techniques (what I would call techniques) for managing the project. He comes from a development background and is quite senior in another major web-based company that everyone's heard of, and has introduced the Kanban board for managing the entire project by doing standups every morning with the management team. Though I'm used to this in a development team context, I have to say that so far this is actually a good technique for keeping track of high level work that us management people are doing.

    However, he has now started to refer to the project as the 'Program' (deliberate spelling), and activities on the board as 'Projects'. Although I run the standups and I am the PM, this terminology and the associated concepts of Programme Management that I and other here are used to is becoming confused and inconsistent.

    We don't really have a Programme (in the UK/PRINCE2 sense), we actually have a Project with multiple work streams (in the PRINCE2 sense). He also calls these work streams, 'swim lanes'.

    To me this all sounds like a very American/'Agile development' way of doing things and I have a looming concern that the entire project is being too heavily influenced by Agile development/technical concepts (which isn't always a bad thing but tends to steer attention away from formal project governance).

    We're now having a debate on what terminology to use: Project, Program, Programme, etc.

    So I don't really have a question, but rather I'm asking for some advice and asking if any of you guys have been through this before and ultimately know what will be best for the project?

    It's an interesting position to be in, and I feel the choices we make now will affect how well the project is run later, hence the reason for this post.

    Thanks and look fwd to an interesting discussion!

    P

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    Originally posted by Peter Loew View Post
    Hi All,

    My current client is an interesting one. They're more or less starting their business from scratch, and the business is centered around developing a web-based product that they will ultimately host and 'sell' using a SaaS business model.

    I came in as a PM and have started putting the usual things in place; a PM process (PRINCE2 based but allowing for an Agile delivery model), PID, the usual control documents etc.).

    We've now had a new guy come onboard as an Non Exec Director, who has introduced some interesting techniques (what I would call techniques) for managing the project. He comes from a development background and is quite senior in another major web-based company that everyone's heard of, and has introduced the Kanban board for managing the entire project by doing standups every morning with the management team. Though I'm used to this in a development team context, I have to say that so far this is actually a good technique for keeping track of high level work that us management people are doing.

    However, he has now started to refer to the project as the 'Program' (deliberate spelling), and activities on the board as 'Projects'. Although I run the standups and I am the PM, this terminology and the associated concepts of Programme Management that I and other here are used to is becoming confused and inconsistent.

    We don't really have a Programme (in the UK/PRINCE2 sense), we actually have a Project with multiple work streams (in the PRINCE2 sense). He also calls these work streams, 'swim lanes'.

    To me this all sounds like a very American/'Agile development' way of doing things and I have a looming concern that the entire project is being too heavily influenced by Agile development/technical concepts (which isn't always a bad thing but tends to steer attention away from formal project governance).

    We're now having a debate on what terminology to use: Project, Program, Programme, etc.

    So I don't really have a question, but rather I'm asking for some advice and asking if any of you guys have been through this before and ultimately know what will be best for the project?

    It's an interesting position to be in, and I feel the choices we make now will affect how well the project is run later, hence the reason for this post.

    Thanks and look fwd to an interesting discussion!

    P
    The way I have always seen it is a Programme (not program) is a series of related projects that are each big enough to run independently with their own Project Manager each reporting to the Programme Manager who will have ultimate responsibility for delivery. You are accountable for your part of the overall delivery, however you will get steering from the above, not a lot will change, you just might learn a few new buzz words
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      #3
      I think a lot of places struggle with programmes and projects - the worst place to be IMHO is having lots of projects that affect the same resources and applications with no over-arching programme.

      This leads to dependancie not being logged or managed, projects fighting over priorities and key resources (both people and environments) without a steering group to manage these and a lack of give and take to meet the common good (too much - "not part of my scope").

      A proper programme will have the key stakeholders involved, have a technical and business design authority to ensure there are no conflicts between projects in terms of scope, design and implementation.

      Rarely happens properly though.
      Anti-bedwetting advice

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        #4
        Originally posted by Notascooby View Post
        I think a lot of places struggle with programmes and projects - the worst place to be IMHO is having lots of projects that affect the same resources and applications with no over-arching programme.

        This leads to dependancie not being logged or managed, projects fighting over priorities and key resources (both people and environments) without a steering group to manage these and a lack of give and take to meet the common good (too much - "not part of my scope").

        A proper programme will have the key stakeholders involved, have a technical and business design authority to ensure there are no conflicts between projects in terms of scope, design and implementation.

        Rarely happens properly though.
        Happens all too frequently in my experience. One recent example was rolling out an upgrade for SharePoint but on a per department basis as individual projects without a program structure in place ... what a nightmare/clustertulip!

        Peter - You probably thought of this as well but as you're working with a new business I think it would be a good idea to propose the standard program and project governance for the client and get it approved and in place. That way everyone knows where they stand and with you putting it together you will get people working they way you want them to (with some compromises!) and some extra brownie points with the client.
        Last edited by redgiant; 24 April 2012, 11:19. Reason: Wrong poster :)

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          #5
          Call me a neo-Luddite, but a set of related tasks with a single end deliverable is a Project and a Programme is a set of related Projects (and a set of related Programmes is a business ).

          But then I can't be doing with all this lazy Agile nonsense anyway, outside two workstreams; a dynamic client-led development environment where you need to react to spec changes quickly, or a testing project where unexpected things are likely to come up. And both should be within an overall project envelope even then.

          As for spelling - we speak English over here.
          Blog? What blog...?

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            #6
            Originally posted by redgiant View Post
            Simon - You probably thought of this as well but as you're working with a new business I think it would be a good idea to propose the standard program and project governance for the client and get it approved and in place. That way everyone knows where they stand and with you putting it together you will get people working they way you want them to (with some compromises!) and some extra brownie points with the client.
            I'm neither a PrM or a PjM so I don't care
            Originally posted by Stevie Wonder Boy
            I can't see any way to do it can you please advise?

            I want my account deleted and all of my information removed, I want to invoke my right to be forgotten.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Peter Loew View Post
              Hi All,

              My current client is an interesting one. They're more or less starting their business from scratch, and the business is centered around developing a web-based product that they will ultimately host and 'sell' using a SaaS business model.

              I came in as a PM and have started putting the usual things in place; a PM process (PRINCE2 based but allowing for an Agile delivery model), PID, the usual control documents etc.).

              We've now had a new guy come onboard as an Non Exec Director, who has introduced some interesting techniques (what I would call techniques) for managing the project. He comes from a development background and is quite senior in another major web-based company that everyone's heard of, and has introduced the Kanban board for managing the entire project by doing standups every morning with the management team. Though I'm used to this in a development team context, I have to say that so far this is actually a good technique for keeping track of high level work that us management people are doing.

              However, he has now started to refer to the project as the 'Program' (deliberate spelling), and activities on the board as 'Projects'. Although I run the standups and I am the PM, this terminology and the associated concepts of Programme Management that I and other here are used to is becoming confused and inconsistent.

              We don't really have a Programme (in the UK/PRINCE2 sense), we actually have a Project with multiple work streams (in the PRINCE2 sense). He also calls these work streams, 'swim lanes'.

              To me this all sounds like a very American/'Agile development' way of doing things and I have a looming concern that the entire project is being too heavily influenced by Agile development/technical concepts (which isn't always a bad thing but tends to steer attention away from formal project governance).

              We're now having a debate on what terminology to use: Project, Program, Programme, etc.

              So I don't really have a question, but rather I'm asking for some advice and asking if any of you guys have been through this before and ultimately know what will be best for the project?

              It's an interesting position to be in, and I feel the choices we make now will affect how well the project is run later, hence the reason for this post.

              Thanks and look fwd to an interesting discussion!

              P
              I'm an Agile BA bringing in DSDM structure to a previously SCRUM project. I'm not having a huge problem bringing project governance/discipline in as the client likes the Agile approach but misses the Prince2-type structure that helps with things like finance and change control. It's all about a light touch and steering the team rather than anything else - I'm sure we'll end up with complimentary bits of both Agile approaches.
              "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
              - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                #8
                Originally posted by cojak View Post
                I'm an Agile BA bringing in DSDM structure to a previously SCRUM project. I'm not having a huge problem bringing project governance/discipline in as the client likes the Agile approach but misses the Prince2-type structure that helps with things like finance and change control. It's all about a light touch and steering the team rather than anything else - I'm sure we'll end up with complimentary bits of both Agile approaches.
                I've read that twice and while I understand most of the individual words, I still can't make head nor tail of it. It's probably something to do with a paradigm of exploiting synergies within the team dynamic.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                  I've read that twice and while I understand most of the individual words, I still can't make head nor tail of it. It's probably something to do with a paradigm of exploiting synergies within the team dynamic.
                  I think that's what happens if you're around this kind of thing for too long.

                  Just wait until we get onto Adaptive Case Management...
                  "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                  - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by SimonMac View Post
                    I'm neither a PrM or a PjM so I don't care
                    Opps .. I meant Peter

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