Offshoring and IT market

**Sockpuppet** · 18 March 2012, 22:37

Depends on the roles. I'm not having a problem. Even the outsourced stuff on this contract has been sourced back in house as too many mistakes were made in the off shoring.

My personal opinion is anything mundane has been outsources. Anything that requires (a) input from a UK based team or (b) the ability of the contractor to think is safe........for now.

**daogonza** · 18 March 2012, 22:51

Originally posted by Sockpuppet View Post

Depends on the roles. I'm not having a problem. Even the outsourced stuff on this contract has been sourced back in house as too many mistakes were made in the off shoring.

My personal opinion is anything mundane has been outsources. Anything that requires (a) input from a UK based team or (b) the ability of the contractor to think is safe........for now.

What´s your field?

**rambaugh** · 19 March 2012, 00:03

As with everything else it depends on the demand of your skill set in the market, the market itself (which is not the best) your contacts and probably some degree your tenacity at creating opportunities for yourself (i.e. your ability to create your own luck).

Outsourcing is a global phenomenon so hardly think it's just the UK market going through it. It probably gets more coverage than Dublin because the market is comparatively bigger and more of it is going on, plus there is more globally oriented media coverage. However, I'd imagine off-shoring relative to market size is probably near constant levels with no one place being immune.

**daogonza** · 19 March 2012, 10:10

Originally posted by rambaugh View Post

As with everything else it depends on the demand of your skill set in the market, the market itself (which is not the best) your contacts and probably some degree your tenacity at creating opportunities for yourself (i.e. your ability to create your own luck).

Outsourcing is a global phenomenon so hardly think it's just the UK market going through it. It probably gets more coverage than Dublin because the market is comparatively bigger and more of it is going on, plus there is more globally oriented media coverage. However, I'd imagine off-shoring relative to market size is probably near constant levels with no one place being immune.

Outsourcing != offshoring. Offshoring is move the work from UK (e.g.) to India (e.g.). To be clear Bob agencies. Do you see big problems in the future?

I think that it´s only market conditions (cost cutting)... but I want to listen opinions.

**Antman** · 19 March 2012, 10:40

Al mal tiempo buena cara

**bobspud** · 19 March 2012, 14:25

Originally posted by daogonza View Post

Outsourcing != offshoring. Offshoring is move the work from UK (e.g.) to India (e.g.). To be clear Bob agencies. Do you see big problems in the future?

I think that it´s only market conditions (cost cutting)... but I want to listen opinions.

My Client Co competes in both markets. From a cost perspective and having access to the internal figures I can tell you there is no more than £20 a day difference between having bob or rob run your system. So cost is no longer the single driving force. I think the next 10 years will be a mix of companies going round the cycle of outsourcing and insourcing. I can say that outsourcing is chaos behind the scenes and that there is an awfully good living to be made in the transition on or off shore..

A good friends runs a department that just completed a 64bit upgrade on their systems. They completed it in a few weeks while the previous outsourcing giant had consistently failed to even start the process in eight months...

**mos** · 19 March 2012, 14:49

Originally posted by bobspud View Post

My Client Co competes in both markets. From a cost perspective and having access to the internal figures I can tell you there is no more than £20 a day difference between having bob or rob run your system. So cost is no longer the single driving force. I think the next 10 years will be a mix of companies going round the cycle of outsourcing and insourcing. I can say that outsourcing is chaos behind the scenes and that there is an awfully good living to be made in the transition on or off shore..

I feel very uneasy making living that way ... but I agree that there is plenty of dough to be made.

A good friends runs a department that just completed a 64bit upgrade on their systems. They completed it in a few weeks while the previous outsourcing giant had consistently failed to even start the process in eight months...

Can well believe that .... what timing have they planned

and who is to blame

?

**eek** · 19 March 2012, 14:53

Originally posted by mos View Post

I feel very uneasy making living that way ... but I agree that there is plenty of dough to be made.

Can well believe that .... what timing have they planned

and who is to blame

?

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

**cojak** · 19 March 2012, 15:23

Originally posted by eek View Post

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

That was my last project!

Be careful with those darned requirements though and make sure that the Service offerings are much cookie cutter as you can make them.

And if any Dev PMs tell you that their environment is 'special, don't believe them...

Offshoring and IT market