Reply to: Offshoring and IT market

[mos]

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

The way to go

[eek]

Yes but the tb's mount up fast and if you start to copy data cross zones and back up to a third party it starts to get comparable to a dedicated solution.

It may well do but if its a monthly fee rather than capital expenditure it comes out of a different budget pot.

[bobspud]

Mistakes occur and are learnt from. If Amazon made the same mistake again it would be an issue until they do they probably won't.

also even Amazon tell you to backup your data elsewhere as nothing is perfect.

Yes but the tb's mount up fast and if you start to copy data cross zones and back up to a third party it starts to get comparable to a dedicated solution.

[eek]

Well the answer to this is simple.

All dev works in there but NO production or live data...

Anyone that has the guts to argue, just point out that EC2 had an outage in Ireland that took both sides of the storage zone down and lost data
Not quite up to full production yet.

Amazon's Cloud Crash Disaster Permanently Destroyed Many Customers' Data - Business Insider

I would consider looking into it as the DR solution though.

Mistakes occur and are learnt from. If Amazon made the same mistake again it would be an issue until they do they probably won't.

also even Amazon tell you to backup your data elsewhere as nothing is perfect.

[bobspud]

I feel very uneasy making living that way ... but I agree that there is plenty of dough to be made.



Can well believe that .... what timing have they planned and who is to blame ?

SImple case of two large vendors both waiting for the other to fsck it up so that they would get to take the account. They seemed to forget their customer was in the middle.

[bobspud]

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

Well the answer to this is simple.

All dev works in there but NO production or live data...

Anyone that has the guts to argue, just point out that EC2 had an outage in Ireland that took both sides of the storage zone down and lost data
Not quite up to full production yet.

Amazon's Cloud Crash Disaster Permanently Destroyed Many Customers' Data - Business Insider

I would consider looking into it as the DR solution though.

[eek]

That was my last project!

Be careful with those darned requirements though and make sure that the Service offerings are much cookie cutter as you can make them.

And if any Dev PMs tell you that their environment is 'special, don't believe them...

Fancy Hatfield and Bristol. I have zero interest in doing it I simply joked that it was the only escape route now they had outsourced their hardware.

[cojak]

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

That was my last project!

Be careful with those darned requirements though and make sure that the Service offerings are much cookie cutter as you can make them.

And if any Dev PMs tell you that their environment is 'special, don't believe them...

[eek]

I feel very uneasy making living that way ... but I agree that there is plenty of dough to be made.



Can well believe that .... what timing have they planned and who is to blame ?

Down the pub on Friday I was chatting to a mate who works elsewhere and I jokingly suggested that the next phase will be to move from outsourcing back to IAAS using amazon or someone else to provide the infrastructure.

Following a phone call this morning his IT Director wants to meet me to discuss my proposal.

[mos]

My Client Co competes in both markets. From a cost perspective and having access to the internal figures I can tell you there is no more than £20 a day difference between having bob or rob run your system. So cost is no longer the single driving force. I think the next 10 years will be a mix of companies going round the cycle of outsourcing and insourcing. I can say that outsourcing is chaos behind the scenes and that there is an awfully good living to be made in the transition on or off shore..

I feel very uneasy making living that way ... but I agree that there is plenty of dough to be made.

A good friends runs a department that just completed a 64bit upgrade on their systems. They completed it in a few weeks while the previous outsourcing giant had consistently failed to even start the process in eight months...

Can well believe that .... what timing have they planned and who is to blame ?

[bobspud]

Outsourcing != offshoring. Offshoring is move the work from UK (e.g.) to India (e.g.). To be clear Bob agencies. Do you see big problems in the future?

I think that it´s only market conditions (cost cutting)... but I want to listen opinions.

My Client Co competes in both markets. From a cost perspective and having access to the internal figures I can tell you there is no more than £20 a day difference between having bob or rob run your system. So cost is no longer the single driving force. I think the next 10 years will be a mix of companies going round the cycle of outsourcing and insourcing. I can say that outsourcing is chaos behind the scenes and that there is an awfully good living to be made in the transition on or off shore..

A good friends runs a department that just completed a 64bit upgrade on their systems. They completed it in a few weeks while the previous outsourcing giant had consistently failed to even start the process in eight months...

[Antman]

Al mal tiempo buena cara

[daogonza]

As with everything else it depends on the demand of your skill set in the market, the market itself (which is not the best) your contacts and probably some degree your tenacity at creating opportunities for yourself (i.e. your ability to create your own luck).

Outsourcing is a global phenomenon so hardly think it's just the UK market going through it. It probably gets more coverage than Dublin because the market is comparatively bigger and more of it is going on, plus there is more globally oriented media coverage. However, I'd imagine off-shoring relative to market size is probably near constant levels with no one place being immune.

Outsourcing != offshoring. Offshoring is move the work from UK (e.g.) to India (e.g.). To be clear Bob agencies. Do you see big problems in the future?

I think that it´s only market conditions (cost cutting)... but I want to listen opinions.

[rambaugh]

As with everything else it depends on the demand of your skill set in the market, the market itself (which is not the best) your contacts and probably some degree your tenacity at creating opportunities for yourself (i.e. your ability to create your own luck).

Outsourcing is a global phenomenon so hardly think it's just the UK market going through it. It probably gets more coverage than Dublin because the market is comparatively bigger and more of it is going on, plus there is more globally oriented media coverage. However, I'd imagine off-shoring relative to market size is probably near constant levels with no one place being immune.

[daogonza]

Depends on the roles. I'm not having a problem. Even the outsourced stuff on this contract has been sourced back in house as too many mistakes were made in the off shoring.


My personal opinion is anything mundane has been outsources. Anything that requires (a) input from a UK based team or (b) the ability of the contractor to think is safe........for now.

What´s your field?