Computer Futures

[NotAllThere]

...they would not be a multi-national organisation if they continually under performed with their clients.

The contractor in the contractor<->agency relationship is not a client. HTH.

As a client, however, it was noted that a certain agency would
a) submit CVs without the candidates approval
b) repeatedly setup interviews where the candidate didn't turn up. Probably due to a)
c) told us that a candidate we wanted had withdrawn, when in fact what had happened was the candidate would agree to the rate they were offering him

Many companies scam their clients if they can get away with it. Being a multi-national does not make a company squeaky clean. You can end up being a huge, profitable, multinational by other means - e.g. very aggressive sales.

Of course, this is all general, and not aimed at any one particular company or sector.

[djlaw]

Computer Futures

Because I'm still making them to investigate matter and come back to me, which is taking forever after some manager couldn't or didn't bother about matter. Within the next couple of weeks, I will be posting my issue with computer Futures.

[cojak]

Because I'm still making them to investigate matter and come back to me, which is taking forever after some manager couldn't or didn't bother about matter. Within the next couple of weeks, I will be posting my issue with computer Futures.

Then you will be able to provide evidence to Admin to support your issues.

Without that evidence your post won't stay up for long.

[Andy Hallett]

Because I'm still making them to investigate matter and come back to me, which is taking forever after some manager couldn't or didn't bother about matter. Within the next couple of weeks, I will be posting my issue with computer Futures.

I am the Commercial Director for the PLC, send me a PM with the details and I will look into it for you.

[BolshieBastard]

I am the Commercial Director for the PLC, send me a PM with the details and I will look into it for you.

Dont think he'll have pm'ing rights unless admin give them to him (not enough posts).

[Andy Hallett]

Computer Futures

Dont think he'll have pm'ing rights unless admin give them to him (not enough posts).

Ta, I have sent a PM with my e-mail.

[magic hans]

Computer Futures

For my pennyworth, I also had an 'interesting' time with Computer Futures.

To be fair to them, they adminstered by contract really quite adequately.

However, I personally object strongly to their clause:
"Under no circumstances should the client discuss with the Service Provider the rates charged by the Company to the Client."

I fully appreciate that this is a business transaction, and that agents need to make a margin. Is it really ethical to use the clause as stated above to garner a 40% (in my case) margin?

Do unethical clothes retailers something similar by making 40-80% margin by using what is effectively slave labour in third world countries?

Refreshingly, other agencies are more open (dare I say honest) about the contractual agreement. One in particular (Max20) displays the client's rate together with the supplier's rate for all to see! Actually, I think that 10.8% slice that they take is probably a little too low. But, as a result, I will always prefer to Max20, with CF being firmly at the bottom of my list.

Maybe I'm just being too old fashioned, ethical and principled.

Do these qualities exist in business any more!?

[TestMangler]

For my pennyworth, I also had an 'interesting' time with Computer Futures.

To be fair to them, they adminstered by contract really quite adequately.

However, I personally object strongly to their clause:
"Under no circumstances should the client discuss with the Service Provider the rates charged by the Company to the Client."

I fully appreciate that this is a business transaction, and that agents need to make a margin. Is it really ethical to use the clause as stated above to garner a 40% (in my case) margin?

Do unethical clothes retailers something similar by making 40-80% margin by using what is effectively slave labour in third world countries?

Refreshingly, other agencies are more open (dare I say honest) about the contractual agreement. One in particular (Max20) displays the client's rate together with the supplier's rate for all to see! Actually, I think that 10.8% slice that they take is probably a little too low. But, as a result, I will always prefer to Max20, with CF being firmly at the bottom of my list.

Maybe I'm just being too old fashioned, ethical and principled.

Do these qualities exist in business any more!?

From a contractor standpoint, you should be worrying about your rate rather than the agency rate. Were you happy to accept the rate ? If yes, then take the job, if not, then don't. If you think the agency is artificially reducing your rate to line their own pockets, be prepared to tell them to do one and walk away.

Your second statement (bolded) about clothes manufacturers is somewhat understated. The clothing industry, particularly when it comes to 3rd world manufacture, makes Contracting Agents look like Father Christmas' over generous relatives !!

[Andy Hallett]

From a contractor standpoint, you should be worrying about your rate rather than the agency rate. Were you happy to accept the rate ? If yes, then take the job, if not, then don't. If you think the agency is artificially reducing your rate to line their own pockets, be prepared to tell them to do one and walk away.

Your second statement (bolded) about clothes manufacturers is somewhat understated. The clothing industry, particularly when it comes to 3rd world manufacture, makes Contracting Agents look like Father Christmas' over generous relatives !!

Very reasonable post. If you don't agree with the clause or the rate, don't agree the contract.

[TestMangler]

Very reasonable post. If you don't agree with the clause or the rate, don't agree the contract.

Was really coming more from the standpoint that "if you know the agent is coming the c**t, have the balls to tell him to f*** himself" but I suppose the end result is the same

Don't ever accuse me of being reasonable again, you'll spoil my reputation