General Long term Erosion of Contract market

[d000hg]

Regardless of boom and bust cycles the general trend of IT contractor rates seems to have been downward over the last decade. I have never got the rate that was offered in 2005 over boom and bust cycles even though I feel I am much more qualified since then.

OK. Since you don't ask a question, what are you wanting, a cuddle?

Let's be honest here.

THE FOREIGNERS ARE KNICKING THE WORK.

They have no need to earn big money to pay big house prices. They take the cash back to their little tin huts and sit on it. Makes me sick.

Cyberman, is that you?

[mobi]

Let's be honest here.

THE FOREIGNERS ARE KNICKING THE WORK.

And local citizens are unable to compete with them.

Blame your forefathers. If France ruled the sub-continent instead of the British for 200 years, they would have spoken French and immigrated to France instead.

I wonder why no other European country has similar to HSMP scheme!

[dynamicsaxcontractor]

The government have allowed this to happen. So much for 'creating British jobs for British people'. More like 'taking British jobs from British people'.

This whole industry (and country) is beginning to sicken me. Yep, I'm having a bad day but this industry is no longer the same and it never will be. Yep I might get the next £ 800 a day contract I just missed out on but for every possible me there's a hundred definite others who are seeing their livelihood evaporate. Criminal. Rule Britannia.

The funny bit is you sit at your desk and look around. Hardly anybody is a 'native' while all the natives are sat on the bench. Is it a question of ability to do the job or ability to work for less money? Definitely the latter.

You couldn't be more wrong. Its because lot of 'natives' like you have the same attidute as you - lazy and think that work should come knocking on your door. Grow some balls and stop moaning, or go down to the pub with the other 'native' benefit fraudsters.

[rsingh]

@oliverson What is your skillset. I'm intrigued to find out why you believe you are worth 800 a day.

[kaiser78]

Let's be honest here.

THE FOREIGNERS ARE KNICKING THE WORK.

They have no need to earn big money to pay big house prices. They take the cash back to their little tin huts and sit on it. Makes me sick.

I didn't know Nick Griffin is an IT contractor

[ChimpMaster]

In 5 years or thereabouts, offshoring will have become expensive enough to no longer be a beneficial option. Inflation in India averages 10% consistently, with wage inflation in I.T. running even higher. It won't take long before Western organisations no longer see substantial gains, especially seeing the lower quality and fact that they aren't on-site and immediately responsible.

It's like a long distance relationship - it never lasts.

[Clippy]

In 5 years or thereabouts, offshoring will have become expensive enough to no longer be a beneficial option. Inflation in India averages 10% consistently, with wage inflation in I.T. running even higher. It won't take long before Western organisations no longer see substantial gains, especially seeing the lower quality and fact that they aren't on-site and immediately responsible.

It's like a long distance relationship - it never lasts.

Too late, the offshoring/outsourcing genie is out of the bottle - work is already being outsourced, either directly or via Indian outsourcers, to other countries:

India tries outsourcing its outsourcing.

Brazil aims to be outsourcing giant.

[doodab]

It'll be about five to eight years at a guess before it all settles down and they realize that skills are skills and people can work and live and come from anywhere. There will always be someone who undercuts you, there will always be someone better, but you won't always be last in the line. All you need to worry about is staying on your game.

[Spacecadet]

@oliverson What is your skillset. I'm intrigued to find out why you believe you are worth 800 a day.

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[gadgetman]

I don't disagree with being competitive the point I take issue with is that using price alone is not a realistic comparison.

I have had nothing but problems (of many varieties) when dealing with Bob and his friends offshore. Problems I have not experienced with admittedly more expensive onshore professionals. Happy to provide specific examples.

Certainly in my experience you tend to get what you pay for.

Eventually many companies come to the stark realisation that what they're getting from their offshore partners is a pile of tulip.

Usually this happens just after the whiz kid who saved x million off the company balance sheet has moved on to his next victim.