SC Application (unfortunately I have history)

**northernladuk** · 6 May 2010, 15:52

Tell them first and see what they think. Be honest with them and tell them the situation and ask should you apply.

I don't know the ins and outs but fraud isn't one of the ones they will be pleased to see but 11 years is a very long time. Even the rehabilitation of offenders act is only 5 years or something isn't it?

I think this one is a coin toss but what is stopping you go for it. If you apply and fail what will happen? Is it worth giving it a go or are you going to ruin other chances or piss valuable people off? Tell us more?

Either way be upfront about it. You are not being judged on your past history just a decision on wether to grant SC.

**SuperZ** · 6 May 2010, 16:31

Only the vetting office will know the answer to your question. APply for it, but continue looking for other contracts just in case.
Personally, I think theft will be taken rather seriously. It's 11 years ago however and you were still really a teenager but on the other hand you were nearly an adult and at that age should know better.

If I made the rules I'd reject ya. Sorry. Not only was it theft, but theft from an employer...theft of secrets from the government a risk?

**northernladuk** · 6 May 2010, 16:37

Thing is you can only get SC by being sponsored by a List X company. You don't just apply like for a job. This must mean that the OP is either...

A) Applying for a role that they will put him through SC in which case you are in a bit of a pickle. If you tell them they may drop you depending on your contract signing situation as there is a chance you can fail. Bearing in mind it takes 4 weeks they will not be happy with this. I hate to say but I would just fill the form in and keep schtum. That way the agent/client cannot get rid before the result is found.

B) In a permie job in which case you have to be honest. They can't sack you if you fail and it is no biggie

C) You are in a contract role already and they need to you apply. Only you would know the in's and out's of that situation so will have to judge whether to be honest with the client or apply anyway..

A bit more information would be useful here....

**dspsyssts** · 6 May 2010, 17:02

How does the rehabilitation of offenders act effect this?...do you have to admit to all past offences even if they are spent then?

**cojak** · 6 May 2010, 17:06

NLUK's excellent SC sticky

**northernladuk** · 6 May 2010, 17:59

Originally posted by dspsyssts View Post

How does the rehabilitation of offenders act effect this?...do you have to admit to all past offences even if they are spent then?

It doesn't really thinking about it. That has more to do with the legal side. An SC check is what it says.. a check. You could in the eyes of the law be clean and so on but they can still take certain issues from the past as evidence as to whether to give you SC...

Bit like insurance takes 5 years speeding offences but law takes 3... Might have been misleading that so forget that bit.

**BolshieBastard** · 6 May 2010, 20:53

Originally posted by KP1981 View Post

Hi,

New poster here and would appreciate any advise you could offer.

I am in the process of completing a HO SC application. The problem arises from an indiscretion in my youth.

When I was 17 (now 28) I was working in a bank and stupidly stole a small amount of money (less than £200). I understand this was an incredibly dishonest, stupid and wrong thing to do.

I was convicted of theft and sentenced to 80 hours community service and the repayment of the stolen monies.

Now, I appreciate that this could well (and probably WILL be) classed as a fraud offence after reading other threads on this site.

My question is: Is it even worthwhile submitting my application for SC only to receive the inevitable rejection or is there a chance that by giving details of the offence that my SC might be granted.

This offence is the only black mark I have against my record and the subsequent 11 years have been completely law-abiding (no driving/speeding offences etc).

Any advice/opinions you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

KP

Well when I was working on the CRB Project for the HO back in 2001, we had someone start. They lasted a day. Turns out they'd got done for having a spliff about 7 or 8 years previously.

They were told not to come in the next day as they'd fail the SC check.

So your indiscretion may or may not go against you.

**gingerjedi** · 6 May 2010, 23:21

Originally posted by BolshieBastard View Post

Well when I was working on the CRB Project for the HO back in 2001, we had someone start. They lasted a day. Turns out they'd got done for having a spliff about 7 or 8 years previously.

They were told not to come in the next day as they'd fail the SC check.

So your indiscretion may or may not go against you.

It's all about disclosure, I told the vetting officer I'd had the odd spliff over the years but it didn't affect the outcome.

**malvolio** · 7 May 2010, 07:15

Originally posted by gingerjedi View Post

It's all about disclosure, I told the vetting officer I'd had the odd spliff over the years but it didn't affect the outcome.

That's the point, They're testing your honesty and your liability to be blackmailed or coerced. Not telling the truth is a lot worse than the original offence, as far as they are concerned. And if you think they don't already know your history, you're deluding yourself.

Be honest. It's what clearance is all about.

SC Application (unfortunately I have history)