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The Times picks up on Migrant IT Workers

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    #41
    yeah sure and if you want to set up a factory to hit european markets you go to the island in Europe , with all the added logistical costs that brings......

    I think all that is really a nice bit of PR. They can hardly say, we've come here for cheaper labour and cheaper production costs for cars to maximise our revenue, otherwise we would have gone to Germany or any other full EU country.

    Apart from the points raised previously, heres some additional (all not good) reasons why:

    all from 1 quick source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1136312.stm

    "a lack of regulation compared with Europe"

    "Nissan's British management have had to promise to meet tough cost-cutting targets to land the deal"

    "That £40m grant from the UK government would have helped" - we even gave them taxpayers money to come (going back to my view that GDP is all that matters e.g UK PLC)

    "Nissan's Sunderland workforce have already agreed to go onto a new, more flexible shift system"
    then further down - "They will need extra workers - about 500 of them - but most of the labour that is needed will come from making the shifts of the existing workforce more flexible"

    AKA - NOT STANDARD UK FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT and the rights that come with it, but lots of part time disposable and exploitable (in terms of pensions, benefits etc) staff. this is what Japan will NOT tolerate, as companies are expected to show much much more responisbility to staff (a lot of japanese corporations provide housing for example). Most of the nissan skylines, I know for a fact, went on ships from Shields to JAPAN , thats the market.

    But honest, Im leaving now I've been trolled from the original pick on the political views, I dont like being labelled as a lefty just because I cant understand the whines about how unfair the results of globalisation are, at the same time as reaping all the benefits.
    Last edited by Gary_Jones; 8 January 2010, 17:33.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Gary_Jones View Post
      blah, blah, blah
      That's the point Gary. From the coalface you'll get the real answer that yes whilst you may get the job done cheaper, the headache and costs trying to get it to actually do what you want actually mean you'd have been cheaper to do it inhouse.

      You're getting off the point anyway, this was about Bob coming in here to do Uk jobs at corporations like BT etc, when he's not meant to be here.

      'British jobs for British workers' remember. We're not sounding off at globalisation or capitalisation, we're sounding off at the Uk governmental and these MD's etc.

      And that's complete pash about maximising profit > the law. Not just anyone can have a position of authority at a UK PLC and can be disqualified by the courts from holding a directorship. Granted he's not going to get disqualified for bring in some shoddy outside workers.
      "I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith

      On them! On them! They fail!

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        #43
        What's the view on whether the Tories will take a dim view of insourcing?

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          #44
          Originally posted by TimberWolf View Post
          What's the view on whether the Tories will take a dim view of insourcing?
          How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Gary_Jones View Post
            Most of the nissan skylines, I know for a fact, went on ships from Shields to JAPAN , thats the market.

            Maybe I've misunderstood your point, but when did they make Skylines at the Washington plant?

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              #46
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_...uring_(UK)_Ltd

              Never according to Wiki, but Gary knows it as a fact so we'll wait for him to appear.
              "I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith

              On them! On them! They fail!

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                #47
                Originally posted by BenchMaster View Post
                Maybe I've misunderstood your point, but when did they make Skylines at the Washington plant?
                I used to have a Skyline, steered like a cow...

                PZZ


                Anyways, all you folk are missing the point, if ICTS cant come here, then companies will just move where the labor is cheaper- permanently. Do you think that any of you wingers will be better off then??

                Globalization has been around for decades, how long will it take you lot to get with the plan??

                PZZ
                Last edited by pzz76077; 8 January 2010, 20:35.

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                  #48
                  iceberg, yeah you may have me there - I checked the link and it would appear that they werent made there.

                  I was in the area when this deal was made, and whilst not wanting obviously to be possibly slandering a few mates of mine got skylines at cost for working in the higher posts. I assumed they were made there as I do know for a fact that the container arrived in shields and left with quite a few containers full.

                  So i have to hold my hands up to that one, sorry!

                  As far as intracompany transfers go, its legal they (again I dont know for sure, but think ) it's 3 years they can get up to.

                  This is a very similar deal to what many UK migrants do in the US and Australia.

                  I still reckon its the cost of globalisation, and its only going to get more widespread - if you say to a multinational they cant do it, they'll just move to a country that will allow it.

                  and whoever said blah blah blah - *ooooooo handbags***

                  Seriously though, good discussion and nice to see that both sides of the debate are present - but thats enough from me now, I'll read on tho!

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Gary_Jones View Post
                    As far as intracompany transfers go, its legal they (again I dont know for sure, but think ) it's 3 years they can get up to.
                    Legal provided they meet a quite strict set of conditions (specialised skills needed which are unavailable in the local workforce, advertised at going rate, etc.) which they don't.

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                      #50
                      So....

                      Coffee from Starbucks
                      TV from Japan
                      Laptop from Taiwan
                      House electrical wiring from Poland
                      Cars from Christ knows where
                      Stuff from China

                      IT Folk from India....NO WAY!!!!

                      You only have yourselves to blame,....


                      PZZ

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