How do I ask for **Open book?** (Urgent Help Requested)

[shanti]

Thanks.

Yes, sign it off. Be one of the signatories. Get to read it and sign it. Yes. You read it, if you are not happy you negotiate, if you are happy you sign it. It is very common in business-to-business arrangements. Indeed. That is why you need to demand to be a signatory on the client / agency contract. And if they don't like it, tell them you will use a reputable agency instead.

May not be that easy to jump to another agency, as frequently if your introduced via one channel - the Clientco can't touch you through another - else introduction fees are payable to the first agency by Clientco (depends what is on the Agency-to-Clientco contract)

Ok - get the pic about sign off on Agency-to-Clientco contract. This makes sense and is probably the best way to know what you can negotiate - no point asking for money and terms the Clientco cannot afford or has not provided the agency already.

Ummm... couple of operational queries...

Just wondering if a contract has working hours defined as "Professional Working day"... if its worth tightening that up with 9-5pm or something (wonder if that is the norm nowadays).

Feel free to reply, we'll all benefit form the responses.

[shanti]

What on earth makes you think an agent is going to reveal their margin? In addition to the fact that it's highly likely to be covered by a confidentiality agreement, it's commercially sensitive information. An agency will most likely fight tooth and nail to prevent their margin being publicly disclosed to avoid being undercut - the chances of it being revealed intentionally to a contractor is very very slim.

It's quite simple, if you're happy with the rate then you take it, if you're not happy with the rate then you decline it. All you're going to do is piss the agency off and then find the role being mysteriously filled by someone else.

You can't ask for a rate that the Clientco is not willing to pay - or terms that they are unwilling to agree. Its what the Clientco thinks - matters - not the middleman.

Its a market - and using your method - you will have to refuse a lot of contracts and make a lot of agents rich - before you realize your actual worth (which is determined by the Clientco).

The contractor is the skilled person who is trained and able to do the work (in theory). The agency does the sales and marketing and admin - they can have a cut for their services - but do not let the middle man cloak the deal in mystery so they can take advantage. If more of us asked for visibility - there would be less cowboys in the recruitment business trying to get rich quick by preferring to place contract novices.

[BrilloPad]

My moneys on him being a totally moronoic insane troll.

I thought that was andyw?

[shanti]

You just ask for what you want.

Of course it is possible. Just write down what you want and say you want it in the contract. Just write down what you want. The more clear you make it, the better. It really is that simple. Unless you want to waste £500 per hour on lawyer's fees to get them to write something else for you!

I got it. Sometimes there are legal or contract terms out there - which explain exactly what you want in a nutshell - just asking for the terminology.

My bad.

[TykeMerc]

That is indeed the most likely outcome, but the OP would learn something from it. And we'd get an evil giggle.

Unlikely since he appears to have totally ignored the lessons learnt from the previous thread. I'll be happy to take part in the raucous laughter after he blows this one though.

[Clippy]

Unlikely since he appears to have totally ignored the lessons learnt from the previous thread. I'll be happy to take part in the raucous laughter after he blows this one though.

This guy is exhibiting the same mentality as that other fkwit, atw.
i.e. Rather than adapting himself, others around him should.

[cojak]

That is indeed the most likely outcome, but the OP would learn something from it. And we'd get an evil giggle.

Oooh.. you are awful Dickie...

[cojak]

I've been back and re-read this thread and it just makes less and less sense to me.

When you go shopping do you ask how much each item cost the shop to buy and what their mark-up is? Of course you don't, because they'd tell you to get stuffed.

What on earth makes you think an agent is going to reveal their margin? In addition to the fact that it's highly likely to be covered by a confidentiality agreement, it's commercially sensitive information. An agency will most likely fight tooth and nail to prevent their margin being publicly disclosed to avoid being undercut - the chances of it being revealed intentionally to a contractor is very very slim.

It's quite simple, if you're happy with the rate then you take it, if you're not happy with the rate then you decline it. All you're going to do is piss the agency off and then find the role being mysteriously filled by someone else.

Shusssssssh DS, just let RC answer his questions...

[pmeswani]

This guy is exhibiting the same mentality as that other fkwit, atw.
i.e. Rather than adapting himself, others around him should.

I think this poster is AndyW's little sockpuppet.

[blacjac]

not sure imagination is exactly this guy's strong point...