Need opinion on IT jobs in UK for HSMP

[Liability]

Funny how the govt. always wakes up when it's too late.
Do the cogs in whitehall really rotate slower than a tortoise?

TBH I think they are copying Obama's policy - wait till you see the fallout in the USA when they stop renewing Indian Visa's - the Indian IT Outsourcers knew this MAY happen hence why alot are trying to buy UK and USA based IT firms and some already have - alot of the Indian IT work force are in for a big bloody shock in the next 12 months. This is VERY good for us UK'ers and the decline in Visa's has already started showing

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I love the reactions these threads get... As it were I am in the UK on an HSMP visa, originally from Canada, I suppose most on this forum would like to see me leave or removed from the UK. Interesting though, there are more UK citizens living and working in Canada than Canadians living and working in the UK. Do you suppose they should all be shipped back here? In essence that would hinder the UK market in its current state more than help. I guess it could be good for me as it would be easier to find a role in Canada..

In any case skilled migration is important to any country and globalisation has ensured that a transient workforce is here to stay. If you can’t find a role here move somewhere where you can, fortunately or unfortunately that is the new paradigm.

[bobspud]

I love the reactions these threads get... As it were I am in the UK on an HSMP visa, originally from Canada, I suppose most on this forum would like to see me leave or removed from the UK.

If you want someone to come out and say it then yes. If you are working on a temp visa and there are a substantial number of UK guys sat on the bench then we no longer have a need for your services thanks for your time and energy...

Same goes for our guys in Canada.

A temp visa is exactly that.

By the way can you take a few of the southern hemisphere mob with you when you go?

[DimPrawn]

If you want someone to come out and say it then yes. If you are working on a temp visa and there are a substantial number of UK guys sat on the bench then we no longer have a need for your services thanks for your time and energy...

Same goes for our guys in Canada.

A temp visa is exactly that.

By the way can you take a few of the southern hemisphere mob with you when you go?

WHS.

If Canada has a lot of out-of-work techies, revoke the Brits visas and send em packing. Our government should do the same.

If you have become a citizen of the other country fair enough, but work permit people need to be sent home, wherever home is.

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If you want someone to come out and say it then yes.

That’s fine, you are entitled to an opinion, I suspect many Canadian's feel the same about Brits in Canada. That said I would argue that if all of the expats from western countries picked up and when back to their home country tomorrow it would largely be a wash and there would still be just as many unemployed people are there are today, we are in a global recession after all. Now that can not likely be said about expats from the south as there are a disproportionate number of these citizens in western countries.

It’s very possible the visa system will work the way it is designed, it is possible the rules will change or I will not meet the criteria when my visa expires and I will have to leave, I have seen this happen to some people, usually lower skilled or lower paid immigrants mind you. If I hit the bench maybe I’ll move back to Canada, or maybe go and work in Australia again. Many of you have the possibility to work overseas or anywhere in the EU for that matter, why not take the opportunity when/if you have the chance?

[PM-Junkie]

That’s fine, you are entitled to an opinion, I suspect many Canadian's feel the same about Brits in Canada. That said I would argue that if all of the expats from western countries picked up and when back to their home country tomorrow it would largely be a wash and there would still be just as many unemployed people are there are today, we are in a global recession after all. Now that can not likely be said about expats from the south as there are a disproportionate number of these citizens in western countries.

It’s very possible the visa system will work the way it is designed, it is possible the rules will change or I will not meet the criteria when my visa expires and I will have to leave, I have seen this happen to some people, usually lower skilled or lower paid immigrants mind you. If I hit the bench maybe I’ll move back to Canada, or maybe go and work in Australia again. Many of you have the possibility to work overseas or anywhere in the EU for that matter, why not take the opportunity when/if you have the chance?

Your attitude of "I am here working because I want to. If you don't like it or if it puts you out of work then tough - go live somewhere else", frankly stinks.

Attitudes like yours are going to cause HUGE trouble over the next couple of years. And not just in this country.

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PM-Junkie – I expected more from you. You seem like a very reasonable person in most posts. I didn’t put anyone out of work, I’ve immigrated here within the letter of the law and have done everything on my own accord. I am not undercutting British workers rates and may happen to like it here and want to stay. In fact when I arrived there was a skills shortage and they were welcoming foreign assistance. You have the same opportunities that I do and you could take them if you so wished, many people do. All I am saying is, is that protectionism is not the answer, people are now mobile and that is a fact of the 21st century.

It is simply not realistic for everyone to return ‘where they came from’ moreover there are numerous countries around the world that were at one point British colonies, so emigration/immigration have been a fact of life for a long time.

[PM-Junkie]

PM-Junkie – I expected more from you. You seem like a very reasonable person in most posts. I didn’t put anyone out of work, I’ve immigrated here within the letter of the law and have done everything on my own accord. I am not undercutting British workers rates and may happen to like it here and want to stay. In fact when I arrived there was a skills shortage and they were welcoming foreign assistance. You have the same opportunities that I do and you could take them if you so wished, many people do. All I am saying is, is that protectionism is not the answer, people are now mobile and that is a fact of the 21st century.

It is simply not realistic for everyone to return ‘where they came from’ moreover there are numerous countries around the world that were at one point British colonies, so emigration/immigration have been a fact of life for a long time.

I quote YOUR comment....

"If you can’t find a role here move somewhere where you can, fortunately or unfortunately that is the new paradigm."

That was clearly intended to provoke a response. You succeeded, so what's your problem?

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I quote YOUR comment....

"If you can’t find a role here move somewhere where you can, fortunately or unfortunately that is the new paradigm."

That was clearly intended to provoke a response. You succeeded, so what's your problem?

My intention was not to provoke, unfortunately it has. What I intended to convey is that we now live and work in a global society all competing against each other. That can be viewed as either fortunate or unfortunate depending on the context. Arguably it has made the western world a wealthier place to live, a better place is debatable. The main point of my statement was that we all have to work within the rules of modern society, if any country puts into place protectionist measures they will become less competitive and that will ultimately have a negative impact on that particular country.

There are no easy answers to this, if there were it would have been solved. I am happy to have British people working in my home country and am happy I have to opportunity to work in yours, I think I am a better person for it because I have had an opportunity to work with different people with different ideas and mindsets, I'm sure others in the opposite position feel the same.

[Flashman]

WHS.

If Canada has a lot of out-of-work techies, revoke the Brits visas and send em packing. Our government should do the same.

If you have become a citizen of the other country fair enough, but work permit people need to be sent home, wherever home is.

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