Professional day - How many hours?

[northernladuk]

I agree theres always mileage in making a bit of an extra effort. BUT like you seem to agree, there is a too much limit.

Yep no argument here. It's situational and some times it's needed/worth it. Sometimes it isn't. There isn't a blanket statement.

Its human nature I think. Manager gets contractor in as an expensive resource. If manager can talk guy into working long hours then manager looks good because hes getting his money worth....

You mention this a lot but I've never seen it. Maybe if you are a bum on seat BAU churn then maybe so but I get paid to deliver something. No point asking me to work longer hours if delivery is on schedule and to be fair many times when it's not on schedule the extra hours aren't really enough to turn things around.

I guess it's horses for courses. Some roles need the hours and it makes a difference. Some don't.

[northernladuk]

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As I said before, your contracting experiences are not the norm, whether this is down to you, or pure bad luck I'm unsure

This is very true indeed. It's not just the odd gig either.

[eek]

This is very true indeed. It's not just the odd gig either.

Over time no one can have that much bad luck unless you are Job and God really has it in for you

[LondonManc]

Ah. We're doing the "agree with NLUK", "disagree with PC" thing whatever they say.

NLUK agreed with me on this one rather than the other way round. The fact that we're at odds on this means that I disagree with you; the fact that NLUK agrees with me tends to make the conclusion obvious on this occasion. I've backed you on rare occasions when you've posted things that I've agreed with.

Lets not wave our willies here LM about whos been doing this longest, whos the best contractor etc.

I never disagreed that it may help but my experience shows that it doesn't help as much as it should.

Clients don't sit down and say x worked extra he can stay because thats fair. If y is cheaper and the client can save a few quid then Y is more likely.

And there are many people out there who've worked they're nuts off only to be told by client - cheers butty thanks for that but sorry we're out of money now. No client ever kept a contractor on just because it seemed fair after the hard work they did.

Who's dick-waving? You have some strange ideas about things

Clients don't sit down and say x worked extra he can stay because thats fair. If y is cheaper and the client can save a few quid then Y is more likely.

Correct. It isn't about it being "fair" or "much cheapness". It's about contractor x providing added value to give them the best chance of being retained. "Yeah, he's decent, but he just comes and does his 9 to 5 and that's it" or "Yeah, he's good and don't forget that he's got pride in delivering on time and put those two long weeks in to get the project over the line; we could do with someone like that on this new project, so I guess it's a no-brainer to extend him."

See, if you can guess about what a hiring manager is thinking, I can guess in just as logical a manner.

[MrMarkyMark]

NIt's about contractor x providing added value to give them the best chance of being retained. "Yeah, he's decent, but he just comes and does his 9 to 5 and that's it" or "Yeah, he's good and don't forget that he's got pride in delivering on time and put those two long weeks in to get the project over the line; we could do with someone like that on this new project, so I guess it's a no-brainer to extend him."

See, if you can guess about what a hiring manager is thinking, I can guess in just as logical a manner.

As I hinted earlier, he has issues understanding this sort of thing as he doesn't do project based work.
The extra time he is asked to do is when there is something wrong in a BAU operational sense....

[LondonManc]

As I hinted earlier, he has issues understanding this sort of thing as he doesn't do project based work.
The extra time he is asked to do is when there is something wrong in a BAU operational sense....

[psychocandy]

As I hinted earlier, he has issues understanding this sort of thing as he doesn't do project based work.
The extra time he is asked to do is when there is something wrong in a BAU operational sense....

MM - you make an awful lot of assumptions.....

Not correct I'm afraid. I do a fair bit of BAU work but a lot of the out of hour extra stuff is, in fact, project work.

[northernladuk]

MM - you make an awful lot of assumptions.....

Not correct I'm afraid. I do a fair bit of BAU work but a lot of the out of hour extra stuff is, in fact, project work.

Love to see what your schedule of work says to cover all that.

[MrMarkyMark]

Love to see what your schedule of work says to cover all that.

Errrm, I'm sure it's all covered

[FatLazyContractor]

x 2 please!