Disaster First Contract

[Lance]

To be honest it is nearer £400p/d but maybe I didn't calculate it correctly. But speaking to accountant as advised by many it seems I would walk out with the same monthly salary with 2 and a half weeks of work. But then again I could be very wrong.

I'm still struggling to understand how an outside IR35 contract can result in an ambiguous day rate. Can you explain?

[CheeseSlice]

Love that the replies here are mainly about the hard cash rather than the tulip project, clueless PMs and headless chicken antics. Contractor priorities

[PCTNN]

Love that the replies here are mainly about the hard cash rather than the tulip project, clueless PMs and headless chicken antics. Contractor priorities

I guess it's a sensible approach for someone who is on their first contract and probably doesn't have a warchest yet.

Once the warchest starts to look chunky, they can be more selective and can afford to leave crappy projects.

[lecyclist]

2. the work culture is terrible with multiple PMs who just shout dates without realistic ideas of how the work is supposed to be done. All the processes set up are wrong and the timeframes are unrealistic but no one wants to admit it and pull the plug or slow down to rejig.

What are your colleagues saying? Coming from a consultancy background, you will know it is often not good to start a sentence with "I think". Better would be to get a permanent member of the team to speak up. In the absence of that, "the team thinks", or "according to xxx system of working it would be recommended" etc. can be useful. But of course you need backup from your colleagues to make this work.

Then when you are overruled, make sure you have the decision to overrule / ignore in writing.

As others have commented, what would happen if you were quiet and just took the money?

[Femster]

I'm still struggling to understand how an outside IR35 contract can result in an ambiguous day rate. Can you explain?

Hi Lance,

I was the one being ambiguous, guess I am used to hiding my salary for my whole career.

Ltd company gets paid £400 p/d - 8 hour days.

[Femster]

What are your colleagues saying? Coming from a consultancy background, you will know it is often not good to start a sentence with "I think". Better would be to get a permanent member of the team to speak up. In the absence of that, "the team thinks", or "according to xxx system of working it would be recommended" etc. can be useful. But of course you need backup from your colleagues to make this work.

Then when you are overruled, make sure you have the decision to overrule / ignore in writing.

As others have commented, what would happen if you were quiet and just took the money?

Permanent staff are beyond frustrated, to the point of storming out of meeting because they know a train crash is coming.

I had a lightbulb moment yesterday and just decided to treat it as a job and not take it personally as long as I do my work I have been hired for and deliver ahead of time.

[MyUserName]

Go in.
Do what you are there to do to the best of your ability.
Invoice them.
Go home.

It is not your problem if the company smashes into a wall and if people yell unrealistic dates tell them they are unrealistic. If they insist then shrug and do it to the best of your ability. When it goes wrong, explain that you voiced your concerns and then keep working.

[PCTNN]

Permanent staff are beyond frustrated, to the point of storming out of meeting because they know a train crash is coming.

This is great news for contractors! If permie start to leave, contractors become more and more indispensable meaning you can ask for a higher rate when it's renewal time. Things are looking promising; that warchest will be healthy very soon.

[jamesbrown]

I had a lightbulb moment yesterday and just decided to treat it as a job and not take it personally as long as I do my work I have been hired for and deliver ahead of time.

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[northernladuk]

I had a lightbulb moment yesterday and just decided to treat it as a job and not take it personally as long as I do my work I have been hired for and deliver ahead of time.

You said you weren't doing the work you were hired for? Becareful treating it like a job as you can fall foul of ir35