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Working 'with' other Ltd Co's providing to a single contract (???)

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    Working 'with' other Ltd Co's providing to a single contract (???)

    Hi all

    Had a call from a former colleague/ongoing friend who left the same company (that I'm leaving on Friday), but she left several months earlier. She's been doing ok for contracts since she left and recently she checked in with a contact from a previous client that she (and I) had delivered in to a couple of years ago. They may have work for her, and me.

    She said to me that she'd suggest doing it through her company with me as a sub-contractor. She was hoping it would be outside IR35*. I'm figuring if I'm her sub-contractor, I may actually be deemed to be inside IR35 even if she wasn't. She's making an assumption that since it's a clear defined piece of work, working to deliver specific deliverables, that it would without doubt still be outside IR35 for me too - I'm not sure I think that's right and I think was possibly partly referenced in my first post on here. I'd take you guys advice on it. And presumably then she would have to be the one to go about determining status.

    *I actually think it will be deemed inside anyway, it's public sector, I can't see them doing it outside but I want to be ready to rebut wrong assumptions if by some magical act, it is deemed outside, the work appears and we had to get ready to go ahead. In the which case, wouldn't we just each deliver our individual deliverables through our own individual limited companies? Do clients go for something like that??

    #2
    if her company is delivering project deliverables, and there are no named people on the contract paperwork then it could well be outside. But unless she has tendered for the work, or gone through a framework I doubt it will be allowed like that.

    Yes some clients will be fine with that. As long as the people who want the delivery are happy, and procurement/legal/HR are happy as well it can work.



    However. If they are already talking about her using you as a subbie, you are already a person to them. And the fact you use a phrase like "They may have work for her, and me" suggests this is still about people on T&M and not deliverables. Both of which make it less likely.

    As for using your own LTD rather than subbing.... If she is delivering deliverables, but using you as a resource that is provided to her by the client, then it could well be that she is outside and you inside.
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      #3
      Also be wary of payment terms. Your friend will be receiving your pay and passing it on to you. If the client is late with payment and she's promised 7 day terms, does she have the capital to honour that or will she put you on pay-when-paid terms which could see you waiting a long time for payment (especially if she does a nasty and runs off with your cash).

      Why do you have to be subbed in? Why can't you go direct too and maybe just pay your friend a finders fee (as I assume she'll be taking a cut of the rate she's charging you out at)?

      Money ruins friendships. Be very careful.

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        #4
        I'd drop it like a hot rock. I've only seen contractors working together twice, once was a total cluster f*** and fell apart in no time and the other one the 'sub' was having his pants pulled down royally by the main one. I've also heard about contractors trying to work together and never seen it happen so I'd be very very wary if I were you.

        I'd have nothing to do with this setup unless I was leading it or I 100% trusted the person I was in with (which is no one so a moot point). Having pictures of other contractor in compromising situations would be the other possibility.

        I have to say though, looking at your other post with the pie in the sky ideas but not knowing how to approach it I think you need to walk away from this. At best you make a bit more than you getting a normal decent contract, at worst (and much more likely), it turns to rat crap.

        Just to be pedantic but to re-iterate, you are PMO so don't 'deliver' anything. You facilitate it so as a two person offering what would you be bringing to the table? When clients take on a supplier it's rarely because part of their offering is PMO. If it is PMO then it's likely a role that needs filling rather than part of delivering a product in which case trying to go in together to change the IR35 status is complicated, as it the status if you are sub'd.

        I'd just go direct by yourself and/or look for other gigs.
        Last edited by northernladuk; 11 August 2021, 12:44.
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          #5
          Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
          Having pictures of other contractor in compromising situations would be the other possibility.
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          Hey NLUK, I've sent you a PM about an amazing opportunity working for me

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            #6
            Originally posted by vwdan View Post

            Hey NLUK, I've sent you a PM about an amazing opportunity working for me
            Wingman around the rich and famous of Manchester? Mobile ATM while you are gambling? Waiter to bring your drinks while you gamble? Done 'em, wasn't very good.
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              #7
              Originally posted by vwdan View Post

              Hey NLUK, I've sent you a PM about an amazing opportunity working for me
              Wow, this sounds SO great...

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                #8
                Originally posted by Nebulous8 View Post

                Wow, this sounds SO great...
                You want to see what he sent... Sooooo juicy. I'm in.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

                  You want to see what he sent... Sooooo juicy. I'm in.
                  Sadly, never gonna happen. This is a private matter and must remain so. Goodness me.

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