Work in Banking? Don't worry about the blanket ban you were probably inside all along

[ladymuck]

If only we had a poster on here who could tell him what needed to be done repeatedly even when completely irrelevant. (thankfully we don't anymore)..

In seriousness, it's a shame the Winchester case didn't set case law wrt to benefits

[LetterBox]

Did the PM not even once get furloughed at Christmas time to save project costs?! Seems to be common in finance.

That would cover lack of MOO in contract.

[cojak]

Seems a pretty stand situation that is going to apply to most project managers that stay with a client through a number of projects over a number of years. Particularly bad news for a standard permietractors doing this

Also makes the point I keep raising about time being an issue with IR35.

JtB must be absolutely crapping himself.

Time isn't an issue with IR35, multiple projects are.

I have never worked on two projects for the same client back-to-back as a contractor.

I do recall having posters on here tell me that I was potentially allowing a good client relationship go to waste by letting the tax tail wag the dog.

I knew which bit was more important longer term...

[cojak]

Also every client was surprised when I handed in my notice and it used to tick the agents off as well, but small pleasures...

[northernladuk]

Did the PM not even once get furloughed at Christmas time to save project costs?! Seems to be common in finance.

That would cover lack of MOO in contract.

But that's not really MoO. It's the T&M way we work. We get paid for work we do. He will also have taken holidays where he's not available for a short periods.

It's common across most businesses and affects permies as well where the client tells them not to come in over Xmas so they have to save days.

[northernladuk]

Time isn't an issue with IR35, multiple projects are.
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Quite true but it isn't as simple as that though. JLJ didn't have multiple contracts and time was a factor in his loss. There are also plenty of roles that aren't project specific out there.

In roles like this people say time isn't anything to do with IR35. This maybe true directly but it's a massive factor in most cases. This one, JLJ and so on.

To say something isn't a factor to an IR35 case when it's been a factor in nearly every loss can't be right.

[LetterBox]

But that's not really MoO. It's the T&M way we work. We get paid for work we do. He will also have taken holidays where he's not available for a short periods.

Well within a furlough period I am offered no work, at a time when I am unavailable for work I accept no work. When furlough is set across the entire contractor base and soley for the entire contractor base. With all perms fighting to agree time away from the office over Christmas, I see that as a lack of MOO from the client towards the contractor base.

It's common across most businesses and affects permies as well where the client tells them not to come in over Xmas so they have to save days.

I have never seen this in any of the areas of client business I have worked in, maybe those of a smaller size to control costs, but certainly not big business.

[CompoundOverload]

If you have applied reasonable care (had your contract reviewed and passed as outside by an IR35 specialist) for a project, of which you had a couple of extensions whilst working on the same project, would you still need to get each contract reviewed upon extending (assuming the contract wording remained unchanged)?

I know this is a slightly different situation to the individual in question, but it could be applied to MANY contractors in the future. Especially if they worked for the same client on the same project (which included several extensions) and they were there for 2/3 years+ - how would this be seen any different?

I also noticed that the time period was 2012-2015, I wonder when the initially investigation started. Any idea of knowing what prompted the inquiry?

[northernladuk]

Well within a furlough period I am offered no work, at a time when I am unavailable for work I accept no work. When furlough is set across the entire contractor base and soley for the entire contractor base. With all perms fighting to agree time away from the office over Christmas, I see that as a lack of MOO from the client towards the contractor base.

Well we will have to disagree and take this away from this thread to try keep it on topic. MoO is discussed very heavily on here so have a look at some of the other threads we've started. None of them came to a right or wrong answer though.

[eek]

Well within a furlough period I am offered no work, at a time when I am unavailable for work I accept no work. When furlough is set across the entire contractor base and soley for the entire contractor base. With all perms fighting to agree time away from the office over Christmas, I see that as a lack of MOO from the client towards the contractor base.



I have never seen this in any of the areas of client business I have worked in, maybe those of a smaller size to control costs, but certainly not big business.

As I commented elsewhere earlier today https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...ml#post2738716 I'm so looking forward to December....