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    Going Permie

    Hi folks

    I just had a chat with a colleague from over 15 years ago. He has offered me a great permie role and has asked me to tell him what package I want to go permie. Obviously I can't just ask my contract rate (usually around £450-£500) a day.

    I wonder what you folks think would be an acceptable package to ask for for?

    I am thinking of a salary of, say £90k, to include:
    - Salary
    - Car allowance
    - 6 weeks holiday a year
    - Business mobile phone
    - Laptop etc
    - Pension contribution

    What are your thoughts?
    Has anyone gone back to permie and negotiated a package?

    Cheers

    #2
    What would you be happy with that pays the bills and gives you a lifestyle you can live with?

    Asking for 90k because that's equivalent won't work as you say. They aren't interchangeable figures as there are too many differences to what we do.

    Have a look at the job market and see what the role is going for and add on some extra because they want you.

    I first read your post as 90k salary and then the benefits which didn't think would work but if you are talking a package worth that then that doesn't seem like a piss take. No idea what you do though so for tape changing you can whistle.
    Last edited by northernladuk; 5 October 2016, 21:10.
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      #3
      Might as well ask for £100k+ inc benefits because you were a contractor, right!?

      Back in the real world..

      What do you do?
      What industry do you work in?
      How many years of relevant experience do you have?
      Any idea what the market rate is for your profile?
      How much value would you add to the employer?
      What are the typical benefits offered to perms for this employer?

      Once you know the answers, pick up the phone and speak to some recruiters in your industry informally to gauge what you're worth.

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        #4
        AS NLUK says, make sure it covers the living costs and lifestyle you want.

        The amazing amount of contractors that I have seen do this, then wonder why they feel relatively "poor" after 6 months is quite substantial.
        The Chunt of Chunts.

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          #5
          Try to work out/guess what's the most they can possibly afford to pay you is, decide if that's enough, then ask for £5k more than that

          good luck

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            #6
            I would say be realistic. It's great that your mate has asked you to come up with a package, but unless he signs off the employment contract, someone will question it if it is outside their normal parameters for this job.

            As others have said, find out what the equivalent job would pay elsewhere and work from there.

            I hope not, but I suspect you will be disappointed.

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              #7
              I would only go perm for a step up in seniority. That would effectively keep my income the same as now. I would struggle to justify just going permie doing what I do now as the income hit would be significant.

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                #8
                Originally posted by GB9 View Post
                I would only go perm for a step up in seniority. That would effectively keep my income the same as now. I would struggle to justify just going permie doing what I do now as the income hit would be significant.
                Seniority has nothing to do with income. Most of us are as senior as you can get in an organisation - i.e. The managing director of a company.
                …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                  Seniority has nothing to do with income. Most of us are as senior as you can get in an organisation - i.e. The managing director of a company.
                  Of course it depends where you are, as you are alluding to .
                  Pay scales can be very wide within a title, bonuses vary etc.

                  I have seen contractors go to Perm AVP, VP, or in rare cases straight to Director, in Investment Banking.
                  Or some strike a deal where; "I will sign up as Senior VP now, with a progressive path to Director in 2 years."
                  The Chunt of Chunts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post
                    AS NLUK says, make sure it covers the living costs and lifestyle you want.

                    The amazing amount of contractors that I have seen do this, then wonder why they feel relatively "poor" after 6 months is quite substantial.
                    On the other side of the coin, contractors often don't factor in the time that they are benched. The high day rate can hide the non-income bench time.

                    A regular income when on holiday, ill or benched could be viewed differently.

                    I think that there are more important question to be asked when moving to permidom:
                    • Will you chafe at constraints imposed on you (eg. negotiating holidays)?
                    • Are you prepared to follow someone else's drum?
                    • Will you complain if told to do something you consider boring or not to your taste?
                    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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