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    I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:

    Agent: I have a contract with a prestigious client in London for 6 months. Tell me, what would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I'd have to know more about it.
    Agent: As I say, it is a BA role for a prestigious banking client in London. What would be your day rate for this assignment?
    Me: I tell you what, why not send me spec and if it's my sort of thing I'll let you know and also what my rate would be.
    Agent: I will send you a specification when I have it but what is your rate?
    Me: Well I can't tell you until I see the role. I don't even know if my background is suitable since you haven't even given me a single detail.
    [Sometimes this can get to the point where I just hang up on them

    Half the time after that, a spec isn't forthcoming and on the off-chance that one is and I'm interested the rate is pitched at 25-30% below what you would expect from a non-Indian agency.

    Of course sometimes I've been between roles so you do what you must, only for the £450/d initially agreed to suddenly get dropped to £400 when the client shows interest. I also strongly suspect that the agent is either a) trying to gauge the market rate and/or b) trying to get you to "apply" but not submit you so their favoured (i.e. cheaper) candidates are the only ones the client gets face time with.

    Contacts at end clients say that contractors through these firms (who are always recruiting for on-site 'consultancies)' say the following:

    1) The contractors are whipped like Tennessee cotton pickers
    2) There is always downward pressure on rates at renewal time. Rate risers are unheard of.
    3) Contractors are used to train their permies so you can be shown the door.
    4) Forget any kind of work flexibility like early finishes a few days a week to pick your kid up from day care or WFH. Trust in the contractor is rock bottom. SDC is very high.

    Conversations I've had with specialist UK recruiters in the same space echo those points.

    My opinion - sometimes we do what we must, but given the choice I'd steer a wide berth.

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      Originally posted by TheLastWinja View Post
      I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:


      My opinion - sometimes we do what we must, but given the choice I'd steer a wide berth.
      Yep just about to add another one: synergy-emea.co.uk or rather http ://synergyindia. com/synergy-group/]Executive Search, Selection, Recruitment, Placement, Head hunting, India | Synergy not to be confused with the eSynergy Solutions, who try to be open source and friendly and just not quite getting.

      Role – AEM Architect
      Technology – AEM, Location – Sheffield, UK
      Duration – Contract, Start Date: Immediate

      Waste of time

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        Originally posted by rocktronAMP View Post
        Yep just about to add another one: synergy-emea.co.uk or rather http:/ /synergyindia.com/synergy-group/]Executive Search, Selection, Recruitment, Placement, Head hunting, India | Synergy not to be confused with the eSynergy Solutions, who try to be open source and friendly and just not quite getting.

        Role – AEM Architect
        Technology – AEM, Location – Sheffield, UK
        Duration – Contract, Start Date: Immediate

        Waste of time
        Pro tip, if on Gmail, press 'd'

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          Originally posted by TheLastWinja View Post
          I get contacted by Indian recruitment firms for London based FS roles all the time. The conversation always goes something like this:

          Agent: I have a contract with a prestigious client in London for 6 months. Tell me, what would be your day rate for this assignment?
          Me: I'd have to know more about it.
          Agent: As I say, it is a BA role for a prestigious banking client in London. What would be your day rate for this assignment?
          Me: I tell you what, why not send me spec and if it's my sort of thing I'll let you know and also what my rate would be.
          Agent: I will send you a specification when I have it but what is your rate?
          Me: Well I can't tell you until I see the role. I don't even know if my background is suitable since you haven't even given me a single detail.
          [Sometimes this can get to the point where I just hang up on them
          Indian so-called recruitment agencies working on behalf of TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc are actually not that interested in recruiting somebody in the UK. They want a CV (as evidence of that they have spoken to you) and the rate (so that they can use that as evidence of that you are too expensive). They have to try finding somebody within the UK for a few weeks before they are allowed (in many cases) to bring somebody in from India on an ICT visa, and they must show evidence of having tried and failed.

          I was today called by somebody representing TCS for a senior agile coach role in the Netherlands - at €350 per day, max, all-inclusive.

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            Originally posted by m0n1k3r View Post
            Indian so-called recruitment agencies working on behalf of TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc are actually not that interested in recruiting somebody in the UK. They want a CV (as evidence of that they have spoken to you) and the rate (so that they can use that as evidence of that you are too expensive). They have to try finding somebody within the UK for a few weeks before they are allowed (in many cases) to bring somebody in from India on an ICT visa, and they must show evidence of having tried and failed.

            I was today called by somebody representing TCS for a senior agile coach role in the Netherlands - at €350 per day, max, all-inclusive.
            shocking

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              Originally posted by KentDogWalker View Post
              shocking
              It's an outrage

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                Originally posted by m0n1k3r View Post
                Indian so-called recruitment agencies working on behalf of TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc are actually not that interested in recruiting somebody in the UK. They want a CV (as evidence of that they have spoken to you) and the rate (so that they can use that as evidence of that you are too expensive). They have to try finding somebody within the UK for a few weeks before they are allowed (in many cases) to bring somebody in from India on an ICT visa, and they must show evidence of having tried and failed.

                I was today called by somebody representing TCS for a senior agile coach role in the Netherlands - at €350 per day, max, all-inclusive.
                Yes. This is a very logical reason why these sort of recruiters send emails with following moronic stanza towards the end:


                If comfortable with requirement, please revert back with your updated cv and below requested details:

                Current Salary/Daily Rate:
                Expected Daily Rate (in GBP):
                Notice Period:
                Interview Availability (Telephonic):
                Nationality:
                Work Authorization in UK :
                Current Location:
                Preferred Email ID:Best number to reach you:
                Total years of experience:
                Relevant years of Experience as XYZ Developer :
                Payroll: Own company or Umbrella company:

                Privacy invasion time!

                Just block all incoming telephone calls like one do with PPI or nuisance callera and also filter those incoming emails to /dev/null.
                Last edited by rocktronAMP; 16 March 2017, 08:39. Reason: grammar

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                  There is no UK work visa currently that allows a non-EU national to contract either via Ltd or brolly, has to be PAYE only. That can be obvs. via a large consultancy under full control of them but I somehow doubt the cost of work permit processing, RMLT, COS admin, SMS admin etc is worth it for a 3/6 months gig. If it happened the consultancy would have to bench the guy at their own cost for the rest of the term of the WP.

                  Nice conspiracy theory but a non-starter.

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                    Originally posted by stek View Post
                    There is no UK work visa currently that allows a non-EU national to contract either via Ltd or brolly, has to be PAYE only. That can be obvs. via a large consultancy under full control of them but I somehow doubt the cost of work permit processing, RMLT, COS admin, SMS admin etc is worth it for a 3/6 months gig. If it happened the consultancy would have to bench the guy at their own cost for the rest of the term of the WP.

                    Nice conspiracy theory but a non-starter.
                    I think you're missing the kicker - they want to bring a benched Wipro bod over from India, not a generic Indian contractor. They're paying Ranjeev a wage and need him to start earning it.
                    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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                      Originally posted by stek View Post
                      There is no UK work visa currently that allows a non-EU national to contract either via Ltd or brolly, has to be PAYE only. That can be obvs. via a large consultancy under full control of them but I somehow doubt the cost of work permit processing, RMLT, COS admin, SMS admin etc is worth it for a 3/6 months gig. If it happened the consultancy would have to bench the guy at their own cost for the rest of the term of the WP.

                      Nice conspiracy theory but a non-starter.
                      This is why they like to get their PAYE benchwarmers over here as they get paid next to nothing & the profit margin is extreme!

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