State of the Market

[avonleigh]

There are a few contracts but rates are dire.

Not seeing any change in rates tbh. Seem normal to me. But yes there are very few contracts around and add to that an incredible amount of people on the bench, so competition is mental. Don't go on LinkedIn much nowadays but did the other day and I couldn't believe how many people are 'open to work'.

[willendure]

not all rates.

Billy is raking it in!

[willendure]

The contract rate for this job in the USD 454,545 per day as in https://www.wired.com/story/mark-zuc...t-300-million/

Crazy. US rates are high, I would quite like to work for a US tech company, as rates for perm roles are probably at least on par with what we might get in the UK outside IR35, and after-tax I am talking about. Had an interview for one during the summer, but I blew it. Would be a good market to get a foot in the door with though.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Agent gone silent as usual 😄

[Kprad35]

Hiring manager has learned that I am on the no-hire list due to a past incident in 2022 in which I was unable to join after accepting an offer because of COVID-related issues at my household, as the role required daily office attendance. The recruiter has passed my explanation on to the current hiring manager I am interviewing with. I am not sure what my chances are.All rounds of interviews have been completed.

[Dorkeaux]

Sorry to hear it.

That brings up an interesting point. At the risk of setting off the tinfoil hat enthusiasts.

What do you mean by "no-hire list"? Is this kept by the client, the agency or is it shared more broadly?
It sounds from your description like the ClientCo is keeping a naughty list.

I would expect an individual agent to remember past insults, perhaps a vetting company, but I haven't actually seen any evidence of anyone in our industry doing this.

[avonleigh]

Sorry to hear it.

That brings up an interesting point. At the risk of setting off the tinfoil hat enthusiasts.

What do you mean by "no-hire list"? Is this kept by the client, the agency or is it shared more broadly?
It sounds from your description like the ClientCo is keeping a naughty list.

I would expect an individual agent to remember past insults, perhaps a vetting company, but I haven't actually seen any evidence of anyone in our industry doing this.

Years ago I was told by an agent there was a blacklist which was shared with all agencies. It's a load of nonsense and purely one of the devious tactics they use to get you to tow their line. I also don't believe clients have blacklists either. Have known people go back to clients when they have left under a cloud. All depends if anyone involved in the hiring process is still around or holds grudges. But even in the permie world people move around regularly so often it wouldn't even be an issue anyway.

[Kprad35]

No hiring list maintained by end client company ( Agent never mainstains such list as long as you are able to clear the interview) - I noticed this in few companies while raising request for access , I saw a drop down value "Not to be hired again".Looks like no hire list flagged up when it reaches to offer stage.I am quite dissapointed previously i wanted to join but due to circumstances I couldnt.

[Dorkeaux]

I did a little research, and come to find that a lot of big companies maintain blacklists.
It seems that this is legal, as long as you don't compile or use compiled lists across companies.
In the UK. In spite of GDPR.
This astonishes me. No transparency nor due process, some b*llen* just chooses a value from a drop down list and you are screwed.

Were I you, I might call up HR and explain the situation to see if there is a process by which you can be removed from it. Explain the situation calmly exactly as you have. It's a pretty good reason.

If this doesn't work, I would consider investiling a little time in GDPR RFIs to that company about what information they hold on you.

[ladymuck]

I did a little research, and come to find that a lot of big companies maintain blacklists.
It seems that this is legal, as long as you don't compile or use compiled lists across companies.
In the UK. In spite of GDPR.
This astonishes me. No transparency nor due process, some b*llen* just chooses a value from a drop down list and you are screwed.

Were I you, I might call up HR and explain the situation to see if there is a process by which you can be removed from it. Explain the situation calmly exactly as you have. It's a pretty good reason.

If this doesn't work, I would consider investiling a little time in GDPR RFIs to that company about what information they hold on you.

A subject access request is what they want.

https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/ge...ccess-request/