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    A really good post, Oliverson.
    I hope I can expand on one point without negating anything else.

    The notion of pressing F5 on Jobserve over and over might be exactly the problem.

    In the day, we could afford to be lazy and use only Jobserve.
    But the market hasn't simply gotten worse with nothing to do but sit it out, as many posters seem to be saying.

    The market has _changed_. Gradually, but constantly and profoundly. For the better in some ways.
    We have to adapt to that, and not keep tapping F5 and doing nothing else.

    I'm embarrassed to post these tips on a professional forum, but in case any these points are missing from your routine:

    - Scour other job sites besides Jobserve. Linkedin and the individual agency sites are useful. Also corporate sites, they usually have a Careers page with roles.

    - Update your CV, and keep it up to date. Put your phone number, email address and linkedin profile link on. This is not the time to be precious about distributing personal details.

    - You do have a Linkedin profile, right? Fill it full of all your roles and associated skills and connect to people. I know Linkedin is pain in the posterior with all the psycho corporate tulip. Do it anyway.

    - Send it out in response to every job that looks remotely possible. The goal is to get it into as many hands as possible. If it gets you a call or an interview, great. When posters here complain about hundreds of applicants for each posted role, that is what everyone else is doing. Getting their CV distributed.

    - Respond to the messages from agents on Linkedin. Even the stupid lowball ones, even if it’s to say the role isn’t suitable. Send them your CV too, and ask them to keep you in mind.

    - Enjoy the process. I’m aware that’s weird, but I really like interviewing. I like talking to other techies and business people (even agents) and discussing what problem they are trying to solve.

    - Stop thinking about the only outcomes to phone calls and interviews being rejection or a job offer. Instead, it’s two parties working out if they are a good fit for each other and the role. (Anecdotal: I recently interviewed for a role, and we both agreed that I wasn’t a good fit due to a marked lack of detailed AWS skills on my part. But they called me back the next day for another role, which I’m in now. So a good interview.)

    - Stop turning your nose up at FTCs, working for a consultancy, Inside roles and permie jobs. OK, maybe the permie jobs..

    - Attend those wanky tech seminars advertised on Linkedin and every bloody place. The subject matter is often interesting, and you can shmooze with other IT people.

    - Lots of free training and lectures online to upgrade your talk, if not your skills. I like the Microsoft Power Platform courses, there are also some good (but simple) free AI courses on Coursera. Whatever moves your particular area ahead.

    - I rarely (but occasionally) get a gig through my network of professional colleagues, but checking in with them all is certainly on my rota.

    - To the posters who worry about the stench of desperation and lack of confidence, it’s true that exhibiting this in a call or interview is not good. The good news is that the difference between being confident and acting confident is exactly nothing. Truly. Practice and see.

    - Don’t be a dick. Don’t be entitled, desperate or as PerfectStorm found, grumpy.


    That’s it really. Every day.
    I work in buildings full of contractors who do this.

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      Thanks to all the positive messages and some good information in all of them.

      I am mentally strong. There is no desperation. I am solvent. The costs are real. £4k mortgage on the London property.

      I had to restructure the finances. I missed a couple of mortgage payments last year but got organized to the new reality.

      This is what we have and it's not a blip and this is the reality that everyone in the industry has to face. It's not pretty and not much fun.

      If it's not obvious, although I have a good background, I don't have an ego and would be happy to stack shelves and clean toilets. I got here by delivering newspapers on paper rounds.

      Just to add, as much as it seems irrelevant, highly motivated, capable employees, managers, cto, cio, all usually take part in ironman, cycling and running events.

      I have had conversations concerning sports during interviews when we spotted each others garmin watches.

      Endurance sports are not easy and knowing how to solve problems with crossing finishing lines can show the determination required for success.
      Last edited by SchumiStars; 15 March 2025, 22:08. Reason: Edit: Added the part about sports being relevant

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        I’ve found a role but been out 7 months not my longest stretch on the bench but bad enough.

        The job is inside and rate not great but it’s work and will pay the bills and some …it’s 3 days in the office so trains costs to pay which is a pain, but it is what it is. More and more places want people in the office now.

        I reckon I applied for hundreds of jobs and it’s probably the worst market I’ve ever known in my 30 years plus career…volume of applicants is a big issue as trying to get a look in when every job over 100 applicants.


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          Is this an appropriate time to offer a banana? I think it is.

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            Originally posted by Cookielove View Post
            I’ve found a role but been out 7 months not my longest stretch on the bench but bad enough.

            The job is inside and rate not great but it’s work and will pay the bills and some …it’s 3 days in the office so trains costs to pay which is a pain, but it is what it is. More and more places want people in the office now.

            I reckon I applied for hundreds of jobs and it’s probably the worst market I’ve ever known in my 30 years plus career…volume of applicants is a big issue as trying to get a look in when every job over 100 applicants.

            Congratulations! Hopefully a sign of things beginning to move.

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              The Powerfully built UK contractor:

              1. No mortgage to worry about
              2. Sports car and FF range rover
              3. Is constantly employed, moving from contract to contract with no breaks
              4. Contact list that are sending and begging him to join their company
              5. Only does outside contracts. Laughs at people who take inside
              6. Pension fund bigger than Rubert Murdocks
              7. Founsands of income streams
              8. Has a top secret skill set, that no-one else in the world can do or learn
              9. Headhunted constantly
              10. Only WFH, 25% more productive than people in the office

              SchumiStars
              1. Has a beautiful wife and 2 grown up kids
              2. Begs, spams and fights for every contract.
              3. Has a good few for contracts, rest are wasters
              4. Inside, outside, FTC anything going
              5. Brilliant developer but not much more



              With kind regards, SchumiStars

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                Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
                The Powerfully built UK contractor:

                1. No mortgage to worry about
                2. Sports car and FF range rover
                3. Is constantly employed, moving from contract to contract with no breaks
                4. Contact list that are sending and begging him to join their company
                5. Only does outside contracts. Laughs at people who take inside
                6. Pension fund bigger than Rubert Murdocks
                7. Founsands of income streams
                8. Has a top secret skill set, that no-one else in the world can do or learn
                9. Headhunted constantly
                10. Only WFH, 25% more productive than people in the office

                SchumiStars
                1. Has a beautiful wife and 2 grown up kids
                2. Begs, spams and fights for every contract.
                3. Has a good few for contracts, rest are wasters
                4. Inside, outside, FTC anything going
                5. Brilliant developer but not much more



                With kind regards, SchumiStars
                Early Retired Contractor (ill prepared version)
                1. Sense of worthlessness
                2. Having decided to retire, must now decide which property goes in order to fund retirement
                3. Watching funeral plans on daytime TV
                4. Sat in the rainy cold costa-del-sol (2 weeks and counting) wondering why I drove 4 days down here
                5. Watching the job boards and LinkedIn in the hope of getting back in on the game
                6. Watching the pennies given the lack of income
                7. Shoebox full of plan B ideas that never get started as either in full time contract or in pursuit of full time contract
                8. Tesla lease up later in the year, contemplating back to banger land

                As an aside, there's a shedload of Java contracts on JobServe this morning, though mostly SC / DV clearance.

                On the subject of JobServe, I've not really used it for a while so I don't know how long this 'feature' has been present, but if I execute a search in my browser (Chrome) and then wander off to another tab, JS will update the tab name to reflect the fact that 'n' new contracts are present. Saves me wearing out the F5 key on my Mac!! (or CMD + R for the nerds out there)
                Last edited by oliverson; 17 March 2025, 10:30.

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                  Originally posted by dsc View Post

                  I'd suggest finding a different dream it's uber hard to run a profitable coffee shop and loads of them go under. Hard to find people who want to work in them and with coffee reaching super high prices recently, you'd be hard against chain competition + need a very good location. If you don't mind loosing money, sure, go ahead but if you'd rather save some or make some, there's other business ideas which are better.
                  Yep, I always wanted to run a coffee shop. Been a dream for a long while now. But on research you need a lot of capital and it seems a lot of coffee places barely break even now. You would need a USP in this climate. But wouldn't even entertain it until we are out of this cost of living crisis.

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                    Originally posted by SchumiStars View Post
                    The Powerfully built UK contractor:

                    1. No mortgage to worry about
                    2. Sports car and FF range rover
                    3. Is constantly employed, moving from contract to contract with no breaks
                    4. Contact list that are sending and begging him to join their company
                    5. Only does outside contracts. Laughs at people who take inside
                    6. Pension fund bigger than Rubert Murdocks
                    7. Founsands of income streams
                    8. Has a top secret skill set, that no-one else in the world can do or learn
                    9. Headhunted constantly
                    10. Only WFH, 25% more productive than people in the office

                    SchumiStars
                    1. Has a beautiful wife and 2 grown up kids
                    2. Begs, spams and fights for every contract.
                    3. Has a good few for contracts, rest are wasters
                    4. Inside, outside, FTC anything going
                    5. Brilliant developer but not much more



                    With kind regards, SchumiStars
                    The braggart contractors in my sector started dying out around the time of the pandemic and are now a rarity.

                    Turns out they were not as indispensable as they thought they were and were mostly bog standard Java/C# devs whose core business was tax efficiency.

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                      I worked with one or two so called Rockstar programmers in my time and found them more trouble then they were worth. I tend to find the better developers just tend to get on with it.

                      Ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves. CUK is a good place to get an ongoing straw poll of market conditions but even then everyone is unique due to location, skill set, etc. although the fact that fairly much everyone has suffered over the last 12 months or so is telling.

                      All I can say is historically what people were claiming to be paid on here didn't reflect what I was seeing in the real world or we had a dispropotionately large proportion of high end contractors posting in here.

                      CUK is like perfume, smell it but don't swallow it.

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