Originally posted by simes
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PM is unskilled labour. Not surprising that you have so many applicants, probably most were sufficiently qualified as well. -
Well! I woke up this morning feeling fairly bright but now, already I'm feeling sorry for myself...Originally posted by jayn200 View Post
Minor point of contradictory contention though. How can someone be qualified at something that is unskilled? Am sure you had a point to make but it got lost, the more you wrote.Comment
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Bit like a door to door ice salesman , back before refrigeration they were all the rage and held highly prized jobs.Originally posted by jayn200 View Post
Not so much in demand these days
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Would you consider a retail sales associate skilled labour?Originally posted by simes View Post
What if the job ad asked for 2 years retail experience? And an applicant had never worked in retail before?
That job is still unskilled labour and an applicant can still be not qualified for it. Maybe qualified isn't the correct word, I'm open to suggestions for a more accurate word.
As far as PM of course there is some experience required for these roles but not any hard skills. Soft skills are fully transferrable through different roles/industries so it leaves a very large labour pool that can perform the job.
Technically I guess it's not unskilled labour, that was me being a little cheeky but it's very close to a sales job in the sense that the skillset is mostly soft and almost anyone is capable of the job even though some obviously can perform at a higher level than others.Comment
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Bogus.Originally posted by jayn200 View Post
PM is not unskilled, market has taken a dip, most if not all projects are on hold or cancelled. Once things pick up, these PM actors will be required to carry out the necessary.Comment
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That’s so 2018 thinkingOriginally posted by Dhrucku View Post
PM role is retired
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Can you please explain why? I am a developer, so I cannot figure out why you say so? If that's because of agile etc. then every team I join claims they are agile, but no one cooks agile right. by saying agile they merely mean having standups, and yes - they do have PMs (who aren't normally in an agile world)Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostComment
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From an agent friendOriginally posted by MisterLysenkiy View Post
3 years ago at Xmas they had 3000+ PM roles available
2 years ago they had just over a thousand
Last year they had a few hundred
At Xmas this year they had none
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Not in my world...considered the most important role on any project and that's why they get paid the highest rate.Originally posted by GhostofTarbera View PostComment
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I suspect the situation with PM is different when comparing software projects with something like business change.
Plenty of clients still need to transform departments, acquire business, merge them, office moves, all of that dull but necessary stuff.
Use Agile? don't think so.Comment
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