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    Here's my tuppence worth from looking for a week or so. I'm 15 years contracting in exactly the same role end to end. My average gig is around 18 months and tend to get the first gig I interview for in the past. Only been on the market twice before now in four years... and boy has it changed. Only had one interview so far with about 5 or 6 applications in.

    Finding Work
    Tons of specialist sites like Public Sector and OutsideIR35 job boards but not a sniff from any of them. Jobserve and Linkedin are all I've found anything on so far. Jobserve still top of the pile, more gigs, better response from recruiters but linkedin not so far behind, just not as slick as jobserve. Couple of gigs a week so it's not a bad market.

    Getting hold of recruiters is a mare. Last time I was out, a gig popped up, usually with recruiters number on, called them within 5 mins and sent my CV 10 mins later. Top of the pile. Now next to no recruiters put their contact details in and are had to track down by ringing the office number. Very slow to read messages and accept on linkedin in the main appears to be apply and forget. This linked with the comment below is frustrating.

    Number of applicants is through the roof and the chancers don't help. A recruiter put a post on for a 600 a day outside gig which is top of the range for what I do and he had 10 comments on the post saying they were interested. Two PMO's, a book keeper, a housing manager and some PM's. And that's just the public post. Managed to speak to him and he says his LI contact and connections went haywire. The noise is destroying any edge you can get by speaking the agent and getting your CV in front of their nose first.
    Managed to get hold of one agent chasing a public sector gig and he admits he didn't see my CV with the pile he had and found enough (but turns out much less experienced) people and put them forward.

    Speed. Used to be apply Monday, Interview Wednesday and start Monday. It's taking 2 weeks for some of the clients/agents to feedback on the role and then at interview it's taking a week to decide due to the number of interviews they are having. Very weird.

    Outside gigs are obviously popular with a good majority of applicants being contractors inside and jumping ship. With the clients being slower for some reason it means short notice periods are a less of a problem so outside gigs are particularly heavily over subscribed. Looks like about 1 outside in 6 or so inside so far for my role.

    SC clearance is required on close to half the gigs advertised for me in the last 10 days.

    Getting the Work
    Location is still a factor even in the hybrid world. I used to prefer stay away gigs (not London) before Covid so travel isn't an issue but not been put forward for two gigs because they've picked people closer to London. Granted could be an agent lie because they don't want the hassle of telling me I was tulip but I do believe them, particularly with the number of applicants.

    I always enquire about Umbrella list in first chats ready to do battle if it's the usual crowd that won't pay my holiday pay or leak my details. Surprisingly all bar one so far have a list but will take any FCSA brolly and one has Clarity on the the list. Still push the big guys that give kickbacks first though.

    As I say just short of two weeks evidence but a big change from two years ago and a far cry from 4+ years ago. Hope that helps someone.

    'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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      Thanks for taking the time to post that NLUK.

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        Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
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        Number of applicants is through the roof and the chancers don't help. [...]

        [...]SC clearance is required on close to half the gigs advertised for me in the last 10 days.[...]
        What's the point of applying to gigs you have absolutely no chance of getting, especially considering how many people apply? Is it just me thinking this is the most retarded strategy ever?

        As for SC clearance, it's per position right? so how does having it help in any way? just the sheer fact that you've had one ie. can get one?

        For some reason it seems that it's 100% employers market, so they can be uber picky about anything really. Endless job interviews and picking whoever is cheapest with the most amount of skills.

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          Originally posted by dsc View Post

          What's the point of applying to gigs you have absolutely no chance of getting, especially considering how many people apply? Is it just me thinking this is the most retarded strategy ever?

          As for SC clearance, it's per position right? so how does having it help in any way? just the sheer fact that you've had one ie. can get one?

          For some reason it seems that it's 100% employers market, so they can be uber picky about anything really. Endless job interviews and picking whoever is cheapest with the most amount of skills.
          Because it's easy. Shoot your standard CV sand forget. Also, 2022 many people were making absurd jumps because employers were desperate.

          Then you also get agents who spout 'JD are just a wishlist! reach for the stars!'

          I assume if you have SC before then the agent can be more hopeful you won't fail it this time. Maybe it's quicker for reapplies?

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            Originally posted by dsc View Post
            What's the point of applying to gigs you have absolutely no chance of getting, especially considering how many people apply? Is it just me thinking this is the most retarded strategy ever?
            Not a clue. We've been saying this on here for 10 years and people still don't get it so hardly surprising a bookkeeper, housing manager etc don't have a clue. They've got nothing to lose, spend 10 seconds using easy apply and think they've got a chance, even if it's outside. If they are that daft they think this is going to come to anything then there is no point trying to educate them. Frustrating for us and more so the agents.
            As for SC clearance, it's per position right? so how does having it help in any way? just the sheer fact that you've had one ie. can get one?
            Technically yes it can be but it can also be transfered within similar industries as long as you've used it in the last year else it lapses. DV is definitely per position. It's usually not transferable between defence and police for example. Different system.
            For some reason it seems that it's 100% employers market, so they can be uber picky about anything really. Endless job interviews and picking whoever is cheapest with the most amount of skills.
            To be fair I've not come across a client going for the cheapest yet. They have a set rate, the agent (hopefully) is on fixed commission and they get the right person for the job. Yes they drop the rates and take whatever they can get. DWP are looking for service bods on 425 INSIDE at the moment. They will find them but will have the arse end of the market working for them.
            'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!

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              I once recruited an entire IT leadership team bar the CIO at a very well known organisation, including replacing myself as an interim. My favourite applicant was a woman whose entire career was in the film production industry. She applied for the Head of IT Operations role and not only did she clearly not know anything about IT operations, it was obvious she didn't know anything about any technology full stop.

              I could see in the ATS system that she had applied for multiple roles in the past across several departments. The stupid thing is she had to apply manually for each one including writing a lengthy personal statement.

              What a waste of everyone's time.

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                Originally posted by dsc View Post
                What's the point of applying to gigs you have absolutely no chance of getting, especially considering how many people apply? Is it just me thinking this is the most retarded strategy ever?
                This is more relevant to permie roles, but if people are on Universal Credit then I think they have to show that they're applying for X number of jobs each week. That might mean that they apply for roles that they know they're never going to get (including contracts?), just to reach their quota.

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                  Things seem a little more hopeful this week. Couple of agents reaching out with genuine roles when was getting nothing previous weeks.

                  15 minute interviews will never not make me feel tulipe.

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                    Just had to disappoint another agent this afternoon. A bright, young thing that's been in touch on and off for weeks now. Talked through a rather interesting gig with an interesting client. Then she drops the "I" bomb and I have to let her down by saying that I don't take inside gigs... well not yet anyway; who knows in a month or two.

                    Shame, it dd sound like an interesting gig.

                    Oh well.

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                      If the Inside rate was sufficiently high so that financially there was little difference to an outside role would you still blankly refuse? What's the reason for not considering it? Is it just the pride of being a 'proper' contractor?

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