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Originally posted by Katalyst View PostI was on a hiring panel where on one of the hiring managers said something to that effect. We had a candidate who was in in mid-40's, but this guy had the strongest C# experience I'd ever seen. He had published books, he had worked on the product development team for Microsoft on one of their core products, and he had been in charge of developing a ton of critical applications for well-known fortune 500 type companies - hell, he even build a full blown stock-exchange system for a small, rich country. The manager's worry? That we wouldn't be able to control him; he'll want to do things his way and not our way. Without having spoken to the guy, he already painted a picture of a stubborn, ivory-tower loner who would run amok building applications "his" way as he brushes off our loud objections. Instead, they hired a junior guy.
I don't want to be arrogant because I know there are other tulip hot guys out there, but I'm struggling to fathom how I'm not getting interviews at least. I'm being billed out at £3k a day to huge customers to literally do this stuff for the people who make the product - like, what more do you want! Go to the vendor, pay 6x times the rate and you stand a chance of literally getting me!
(For those wondering why I'm looking - the Vendor work is very ad-hoc and on and off, plus is primarily US based so doesn't really work for me)Comment
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostSo, yeah - I'm not quite a rockstar but I do have a great CV and I've been fortunate to get some epic experience. This year I started consulting on behalf of the vendor whose products I specialise in (Imagine VMware hiring a contractor to go out and consult on their behalf with big clients) - I thought this was going to make my CV like moths to a flame, but I'm actually worried it's stepped over a line in a way you describe. I've been applying earnestly for a few months now, and that was my first interview.
I don't want to be arrogant because I know there are other tulip hot guys out there, but I'm struggling to fathom how I'm not getting interviews at least. I'm being billed out at £3k a day to huge customers to literally do this stuff for the people who make the product - like, what more do you want! Go to the vendor, pay 6x times the rate and you stand a chance of literally getting me!
(For those wondering why I'm looking - the Vendor work is very ad-hoc and on and off, plus is primarily US based so doesn't really work for me)
They see you as a threat, especially if they are not the best in terms of technical skills and are wary of what they actually do and how they work being made public to the managementComment
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I wouldn't claim for a minute to have a CV that impressive but I have had interviews for Test roles when you can tell in two minutes the Test Lead/Manager sees you as a threat.Comment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostI wouldn't claim for a minute to have a CV that impressive but I have had interviews for Test roles when you can tell in two minutes the Test Lead/Manager sees you as a threat.
And sometimes you can't tell either to be honest, I never ever predict interviews doesn't matter how well I think I do, whether I answer all the questions easily etc you never ever know
Thats why I hate them calls from the agencies when you finish the interview asking how you think it went etc you can never tell and more often than not they just want you to tell them what questions you were asked so they can tip the contractor going in after you for another interview offComment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostI wouldn't claim for a minute to have a CV that impressive but I have had interviews for Test roles when you can tell in two minutes the Test Lead/Manager sees you as a threat.
But this guy blindsided me with the idea a few moments before the interview was over and, frankly, didn't let me speak. But hey ho - man up, crack on! (And think about reworking my CV for some roles,perhaps!)Comment
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Originally posted by Katalyst View PostI was on a hiring panel where on one of the hiring managers said something to that effect. We had a candidate who was in in mid-40's, but this guy had the strongest C# experience I'd ever seen. He had published books, he had worked on the product development team for Microsoft on one of their core products, and he had been in charge of developing a ton of critical applications for well-known fortune 500 type companies - hell, he even build a full blown stock-exchange system for a small, rich country. The manager's worry? That we wouldn't be able to control him; he'll want to do things his way and not our way. Without having spoken to the guy, he already painted a picture of a stubborn, ivory-tower loner who would run amok building applications "his" way as he brushes off our loud objections. Instead, they hired a junior guy.
If you're not willing/able to do that though I could see it being an issue. If you just hire him and throw him in a senior development role he might just get frustrated with all the tulipty legacy code he has to deal with and leave. Might even poison the team a bit before he goes. I've seen it happen.Comment
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Originally posted by jayn200 View PostWhat was the role? If I ran across a guy like that I'd probably build a role for him and try to rework a team around him, talent at that level is hard to come by. Definitely a missed opportunity.
If you're not willing/able to do that though I could see it being an issue. If you just hire him and throw him in a senior development role he might just get frustrated with all the tulipty legacy code he has to deal with and leave. Might even poison the team a bit before he goes. I've seen it happen.Last edited by Katalyst; 15 August 2020, 19:31.Comment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostI wouldn't claim for a minute to have a CV that impressive but I have had interviews for Test roles when you can tell in two minutes the Test Lead/Manager sees you as a threat.
Talk friendly, answer enough to pass and make sure to ask the lead questions that will put them in a good light. They should see you as a business that provides a service they can use and not a replacement.Comment
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Originally posted by elsergiovolador View PostThis is a potential contract and there is no career in the client's company so to speak, so there is no need to answer in a way that will make lead think they are under a threat. You are there to do the project and leave.
Talk friendly, answer enough to pass and make sure to ask the lead questions that will put them in a good light. They should see you as a business that provides a service they can use and not a replacement.Comment
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