State of the Market

[Dorkeaux]

ElSnippo..

I do have a hard time, believing there are better candadates than me though

Leaves me more time for dong sports.

Dong sports are one way to go.. Have you set up an OnlyFans site?

Seriously though, you might well have been the best candidate.
They might have already had someone internal in mind. It might not be a real role. They might have made a decision by the time they got your CV, but felt obligated to interview you anyway. There are a million reasons why submitting your CV doesn't result in a contract, in spite of looking like a good match.

Like I keep repeating, none of the steps from you to a role are strongly linked.

If you feel bad about every application that doesn't result in a contract, I can understand how your mental health can be affected.
Logically, if a role is advertised it's real. If you submit the best CV, it should be yours.. it simply doesn't correlate that way in real life.

It's a numbers game. All your positive actions nudge the outcome towards something positive.
You have to keep using Linkedin and Jobserve (some other posters have made some excellent suggestions for other job sites that I did not know about), give you CV some attention, speak to dingus agents a lot. Do it enough and something will happen.

[Hawkeye]

Anyone else finding themselves being bombarded by Indian recruiters that can barely speak English asking if you are interested in roles at seriously cut rates all Inside? Am finding my phone is being blasted more than usual.

[Dorkeaux]

Anyone else finding themselves being bombarded by Indian recruiters that can barely speak English asking if you are interested in roles at seriously cut rates all Inside? Am finding my phone is being blasted more than usual.

Yes, I am as well.
They are sorely testing my assertion that you should speak to agents politely and professionally...

But I have been placed by excellent agents of Indian descent as well.

I believe there is a website where the UK Civil Service is required to post their open positions. In many cases it's just some rando scraping that site and calling around to fill the roles on the offie.

[oliverson]

Anyone else finding themselves being bombarded by Indian recruiters that can barely speak English asking if you are interested in roles at seriously cut rates all Inside? Am finding my phone is being blasted more than usual.

Handful of those the last fortnight.

[Hawkeye]

They are sorely testing my assertion that you should speak to agents politely and professionally...

Am finding that too. It is so hard I just end up saying thanks for your time and cut them off. As the circles I am going round in is not worth the effort.

[SchumiStars]

Am finding that too. It is so hard I just end up saying thanks for your time and cut them off. As the circles I am going round in is not worth the effort.

Don't think I have ever won a gig with any of them. Even in the good times. TCS seem to have loads of roles and then suddenly hire internally.

Perhaps ClientCo require a contractor and TCS attempt to find one but then always hire internally, on they can maximize profits. There is a reason why TCS is so big. This is just me speculating BTW.

Stardate 16/06/25. Market is dead.
The enterprise has set course for Mars, perhaps there are life forms there, that require websites, integrations or epi-server work.

[Hawkeye]

Don't think I have ever won a gig with any of them. Even in the good times. TCS seem to have loads of roles and then suddenly hire internally.

Perhaps ClientCo require a contractor and TCS attempt to find one but then always hire internally, on they can maximize profits. There is a reason why TCS is so big. This is just me speculating BTW.

Stardate 16/06/25. Market is dead.
The enterprise has set course for Mars, perhaps there are life forms there, that require websites, integrations or epi-server work.

I think I have only had one interview that came out of one of these calls. They messed up the rate so we got to the end and they admitted they were looking to pay a lot less. But that intro to the onshore guy ended up me getting a gig elsewhere later down the line so it was actually quite a good thing. In 20 years that was just one that turned into something.

[TheDude]

I have applied for a few perm roles and this is what I am seeing.

1. Salary ranges are quite low. I have played hardball and forced them to state their range which doesn't seem to be an issue.

2. There is an initial 30 min call to discuss experience. Then they hit you with 'the process'

3. 'the process' involves at least a 90 minute online coding challenge - these are tougher than they used to be and often involve different skills - coding, SQL, system design.

4. If successful the tech interviews start. They seem more interested than discussing their list of technical requirements than your stated experience. This includes questions on technologies that you have claimed no experience in.

5. If you make it through a couple of rounds of tech interviews there will be a personal/company fit interview.

6. If you make it to offer stage they will offer something at the lower end of any stated range.

7. The whole process takes at least 4 weeks.

It truly is a buyers market ATM.

[AndyGarbs]

Anyone else finding themselves being bombarded by Indian recruiters that can barely speak English asking if you are interested in roles at seriously cut rates all Inside? Am finding my phone is being blasted more than usual.

I wish !!

All i get is calls supposdly from "Three" mobile

[quackhandle]

I wish !!

All i get is calls supposdly from "Three" mobile

Ask them if there's any jobs going.

qh