What would you need to earn to get tempted back to permie land?

[jmo21]

My wife is a teacher so if something goes wrong in the day (like Micro MUN having a problem at nursery) she cannot deal with it, I have to etc.

Don't understand that at all.

My missus is a teacher, and is more than happy to leave work to pick up our kids from nursery should they need picking up. Her school have NEVER had a problem with that, much like I would expect no workplace to have an issue with a parent having to do that. Even working as a contractor, I would not expect any of my clients to have an issue if I had to leave to deal with my child (and if they did, tough!)

So struggling to understand that to be honest, especially as you the contractor can lose money if you have to take a half day/work less hours, while a permie teacher would not.

[psychocandy]

At this point I wouldn't consider going back to Permidom. I just dont have the mind set for it.

But for the sake of argument if I had to consider it.

£100k+ Salary + Benefits + Local + Flexible working arrangements.

The real problem is that permie roles like that generally mean Management and I've worked very hard to keep that word out of my CV. I am not and never want to be a Manager.

They are also bloody hard work and I've seen too many permie managers working stupid hours and weekends. I want to just turn up, do whats needed and go home.

[jmo21]

But for the sake of argument if I had to consider it.

£100k+ Salary + Benefits + Local + Flexible working arrangements.

The real problem is that permie roles like that generally mean Management and I've worked very hard to keep that word out of my CV. I am not and never want to be a Manager.

They are also bloody hard work and I've seen too many permie managers working stupid hours and weekends. I want to just turn up, do whats needed and go home.

This.

I want to stay developing, and in my area there are very few permie dev jobs paying anywhere near what I can bill in half a year contracting.

[psychocandy]

Don't understand that at all.

My missus is a teacher, and is more than happy to leave work to pick up our kids from nursery should they need picking up. Her school have NEVER had a problem with that, much like I would expect no workplace to have an issue with a parent having to do that. Even working as a contractor, I would not expect any of my clients to have an issue if I had to leave to deal with my child (and if they did, tough!)

So struggling to understand that to be honest, especially as you the contractor can lose money if you have to take a half day/work less hours, while a permie teacher would not.

Yeh there is that. But in IT I've found things to be a little sexist at times. If you say I've got to shoot off got to sort the kids - sometimes you get a bit of a look as if to say "thats what the mrs is for".

And as a contractor there is definitely less slack I reckon than a permie gets. Most places are ok but then they don't want a contractor to come in, and start having dramas a week later. And as someone said, if you're miles away its not practical and sometimes its a big loss if you're not getting paid.

Also, if you've got a partner who's got an important job (mines a nurse if she goes home then there are consequences for patients due to minimum numbers etc) then sometimes they're employer has got the attitude "can't your partner do it" so theres a conflict there.

Don't know about the rest of you but I try not to get into the position where I'm in line to pick the kids up at x time. Recipe for disaster if it all goes belly up. Last thing you need as a contractor is client standing there flapping and you're thinking "feck got to get this fixed, I've got to get the kids in half an hour". Or worse still leaving client in the tulipe because you've GOT to go. They don't all understand!

[psychocandy]

Thats like saying its the prettiest of all the one legged whores with no teeth and a hump

(I've spent a lot of time in Caerleon)

Any hole is a goal (using that analogy!)

Caerleons one of the nicer parts....

[MicrosoftBob]

Any hole is a goal (using that analogy!)

Caerleons one of the nicer parts....

According to Goldie Lookin Chain

[MyUserName]

Don't understand that at all.

My missus is a teacher, and is more than happy to leave work to pick up our kids from nursery should they need picking up. Her school have NEVER had a problem with that, much like I would expect no workplace to have an issue with a parent having to do that. Even working as a contractor, I would not expect any of my clients to have an issue if I had to leave to deal with my child (and if they did, tough!)

So struggling to understand that to be honest, especially as you the contractor can lose money if you have to take a half day/work less hours, while a permie teacher would not.

So she gets a call about your kid needing a pickup and they will come and find her, give her the message and she can just walk out of the class there and then in the middle of a lesson?

Is she a junior school teacher? There is enough hassle being unwell or not being available for an after school meeting let alone walking out midway through a school day.

[psychocandy]

So she gets a call about your kid needing a pickup and they will come and find her, give her the message and she can just walk out of the class there and then in the middle of a lesson?

Is she a junior school teacher? There is enough hassle being unwell or not being available for an after school meeting let alone walking out midway through a school day.

Would agree with MUN. What do they do with the kids? Surely they've got to get someone to cover then....

There are jobs that you can do that - i.e. office based generally but some like teacher, nurse, doctor etc where if you bail its going to cause major hassle.

Emergency is an emergency for any job but then things like kids a bit off then I can see it not being popular.

[WTFH]

Although I do sometimes have concerns that if an employer is breaking the bank to offer what they consider a large salary then they're going to expect a lot.

I've found that a client will pay £300-£400 a day for a contractor no problem and be happy if they do the work and do normal days. Get someone on a salary of £60K and they think they own that employees life.

My stress reduction would be because I wouldn't need to pay for a lawyer to chase payment from an agency.

[jmo21]

So she gets a call about your kid needing a pickup and they will come and find her, give her the message and she can just walk out of the class there and then in the middle of a lesson?

Is she a junior school teacher? There is enough hassle being unwell or not being available for an after school meeting let alone walking out midway through a school day.

Yes. High school teacher.

You seemed as stunned by my statements as I am by yours, but without a shadow of a doubt, that is what would happen.

In fact, how dare they withhold information from your wife, or not let her go and pick up her unwell child.