What would you need to earn to get tempted back to permie land?

[psychocandy]

Im always concerned that even if I could get a perm job for the salary I want (which is unlikely) the employer in question would possibly consider the salary to be MASSIVE and expect 15 hour days for the rest of my working life.

Whereas the same for contracting, I get to not work excessive hours. If a client trys it on I can leave and get a contract that is normal.

[SteelyDan]

To be honest, after several years of contracting, I don't consider myself 'employable' in a permy sense, & would find it difficult to adopt the culture & attitudes required of permiedom, i.e. annual appraisals/performance measurement, and the rest of what being a permy requires...

[rootsnall]

My line to any agent ringing with a permie job was always it has to be on the door step, no travel and top end pay, agent phone call No 8,367 resulted in a permie job. So never say never. Just dusted off the contracting CV after 4 years and wondering if I CBA In my game the contract rate was probably 4 X salary at one time, so a no brainer then, but now it can get as tight as 1.5X so if its on your doorstep then its tempting.

[TheFaQQer]

So what sort of rate are you earning and what would be enough to tempt you back to permie land?

Neither of those things are related to what would tempt be back into a permanent role.

What would tempt be back into one would be a good job, reasonable salary, no travel, challenging work, something to keep me interested, and variety.

What would push me back into a permie role - mandatory use of a Freelancer Limited Company

[PurpleGorilla]

Really - no one can put a £££ to it?

[rootsnall]

Really - no one can put a £££ to it?

Roughly the equation you mention £420 - £480 a day versus 70K ( and a good location ) and its tempting.

[jamesbrown]

What would push me back into a permie role - mandatory use of a Freelancer Limited Company

Really? I assume it would apply de facto for agency work and not working direct but, putting that aside, I don't think it would undermine the main pull factors. I guess the main downside would be that the reduced level of income (via erratic income and thus higher taxes during busy periods) would offer less flexibility for bench time, but it would depend on the precise implementation. I think my knee-jerk reaction would also be to say **** it, but I don't think I'd actually follow through with it and consider permiedom.

[unixman]

I was making a point that not everyone has that so permie salary starts to look attractive. You can't just compare a yearly salary to the day rate you are on.. But I bet you knew that...

Out interest if you have spare cash you can divi when on the bench why not divi as much as you can as soon as you can and get it in a high interest account or something?

I suppose by leaving cash in the company, kaiser78 is assured it can pay his salary for a long time. 20k in the company (over and beyond any tax liabilities) will pay your low directors salary for 2 years or so.

[TheFaQQer]

Really? I assume it would apply de facto for agency work and not working direct but, putting that aside, I don't think it would undermine the main pull factors. I guess the main downside would be that the reduced level of income (via erratic income and thus higher taxes during busy periods) would offer less flexibility for bench time, but it would depend on the precise implementation. I think my knee-jerk reaction would also be to say **** it, but I don't think I'd actually follow through with it and consider permiedom.

Depending on the exact nature of the beast, I'd probably take a cushy permie number with no stress and no travel over bothering with contracting.

[jamesbrown]

Depending on the exact nature of the beast, I'd probably take a cushy permie number with no stress and no travel over bothering with contracting.

I guess, but "cushy" and "no stress" don't really come with permie positions above a certain pay grade, say 100k for arguments sake (or even many below that). Contracting OTOH is a piece of ****.