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Working abroad in EU - the perils of SC & Vetting upon your return

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    Working abroad in EU - the perils of SC & Vetting upon your return

    As your no doubt aware, the number of UK jobs where the employer
    requires the prospective candidate to pass various levels of Vetting and
    Government related SC level Security, has mushroomed dramatically in
    recent years. Even in companies where only a tiny amount of their work
    is government related, no matter whether it be local or national government,
    the NHS or whatever.
    Many employers attitude these days is - if 2 or more of our staff
    need SC clearance, then all our staff should be SC cleared and no new hires
    should be taken on unless they have SC or capable of getting SC.
    I've even come across Bosses where the Client only needs staff to
    be upto Baseline level of Clearance ( eg Disclosure Scotland ) but have
    come down in favour of going for 'the Full Monty' namely SC Security
    clearance, on account of DS's only lasting 3 years whereas SC Security
    Clearance lasts 5 years.
    Naturally you can only wonder whether existing staff ( without SC )
    where it would be a big hurdle for them to clear SC, are made Redundant
    or if theyre lucky, redeployed.
    As many Contractors know - Brits can work anywhere within the EU
    either 'on contract' or Perm, thanks to the EU Free movement of labour
    directive and although this opens up many opportunities, especially
    for Contractors with Language skills - it can also present many difficulties
    upon their return to the UK, namely:

    The SC requirement - which tends to be duplicated by many other
    Vetting agencies requirement - that candidates should have lived and
    worked in the UK for the last 5 years.
    For those who might have criminal convictions, been declared bankrupt
    or have CCJ's against them, the above makes no odds.

    But for many 'law abiding citizens', who never spied for the USSR/Russia,
    never got into debt and have an immaculate Credit History. Being
    turned down for SC cleared jobs for 5 years after their return to the
    UK seems a bit harsh. Particularly those supporting family and kids
    together with a monthly mortgage.

    Of course questions arise namely.

    1. If you have been SC Cleared in the past, say within the last 5 years.
    Can the Contrator/Permie live & work anywhere in the EU and still
    return to the UK to land a SC level job ( without waiting 5 years ) because
    he/she has been SC Cleared before and don't need to go into where
    he/she has lived and worked recently.
    Maybe get SC in 2014 then after leaving the UK job, live and work in
    France or Spain for 2 years before returning to the UK to land another
    SC Cleared job ( on the strength that the last one hasn't expired ? )

    2. Does a Certificate of Good Conduct from the relevant Police
    Authorities where you have been living and working. Tick the box as
    far as proving, there you have no criminal convictions against you
    while working in the EU member state.

    3. Should the UK Vetting Agencies 'wake up' to the fact that the UK
    is part of the EU with Free Movement of labour, enhancing many
    peoples career opportunities and rather than stifling careers and
    business opportunities by being so 'dog in the manger' and
    hanging onto their 'little England' attitude. They should 'reach out'
    to other EU States in order to perform vetting.

    Note - Although I realise that some SC roles ( directly related to UK
    Defence, the Security Services and National Security will remain ) there
    should be a more loose SC for other government work, etc where
    National Security is not an issue. Where the 5 years resident UK
    requirement can be relaxed.

    The same can be said of the credit reference agencies as well,
    namely Experian & Equifax they should be reaching out and
    including all EU citizens ( not just the British ones ) in their
    Credit history checks. So that the average British Expat
    working within the EU, maintains an unbroken credit history
    within the EU.
    Last edited by Tightfit; 21 November 2014, 10:21.

    #2
    How can the Vetting Agency be expected to wake up to the situation of having worked in the EU in the last 5 years when it still cannot force clients and agencies to accept applications from contractors currently not SC?

    Only yesterday, there was a role on jobswerve that clearly indicated you had to have current SC for the role.
    I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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      #3
      Originally posted by BolshieBastard View Post
      How can the Vetting Agency be expected to wake up to the situation of having worked in the EU in the last 5 years when it still cannot force clients and agencies to accept applications from contractors currently not SC?

      Only yesterday, there was a role on jobswerve that clearly indicated you had to have current SC for the role.
      I know its crazy, no other country in the EU bothers to go through the
      same rediculous levels of Security Vetting as the UK.
      I've come across companies who 'slap on' the SC required caveat to
      jobs and need for Contractors, where the work they do have only
      a tenuous link with the Government.

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        #4
        Think you need to read the sticky, SC expires with the role and doesn't 'last five years'.

        When perm 3 years ago for a short time, I god SC'd and that was valid for 10 years, though as we know it expires with the role. Here at clientco they decided to clear us too, but mine's up in the air now because my partner is Russian, they even interviewed me about it and asked me 'where our loyalties lie' and is she going to give up her Russian citizenship.

        Odd thing was they cleared me before and nothings changed (except we don't like Russia anymore) and also the guy interviewing me who had my file didn't even know I'd prevoiusly been cleared, or that I'd previously worked in the Nuclear industry in a Tritium plant.

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          #5
          Originally posted by stek View Post
          Think you need to read the sticky, SC expires with the role and doesn't 'last five years'.
          True - but as we all know, job seekers who have been SC cleared before
          have an easier time getting the interview and passing it, if you can show
          the interviewer - you have been cleared in the past.
          As they know - you should have, not so long to wait for you to be
          cleared for the new role.

          Anyway - I'm more interested in Contractors who have been SC cleared
          in the past - worked in the EU and managed to land an SC cleared job
          upon their return to the UK. Perhaps by 'making light' of their time abroad
          or dismissing it as 'a long holiday' or working part-time behind the bar
          in Marbella.
          Last edited by Tightfit; 21 November 2014, 10:56.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Tightfit View Post
            True - but as we all know, job seekers who have been SC cleared before
            have an easier time getting the interview and passing it, if you can show
            the interviewer - you have been cleared in the past.
            As they know - you should have, not so long to wait for you to be
            cleared for the new role.

            Anyway - I'm more interested in Contractors who have been SC cleared
            in the past - worked in the EU and managed to land an SC cleared job
            upon their return to the UK. Perhaps by 'making light' of their time abroad
            or dismissing it as 'a long holiday' or working part-time behind the bar
            in Marbella.
            The EU per se is not a problem. Your presence is traceable and your movements verifiable. It's when you step outside the EU, or consort with non-EU nationals that fingers start to twitch.

            However one firm criterion for SC these days is five years UK residency. That's the hurdle if you've fully relocated outside the UK.
            Blog? What blog...?

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              #7
              Originally posted by malvolio View Post
              However one firm criterion for SC these days is five years UK residency. That's the hurdle if you've fully relocated outside the UK.
              You can work abroad but still have (your main) residency in the UK

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                #8
                Originally posted by Tightfit View Post

                ... As many Contractors know - Brits can work anywhere within the EU
                either 'on contract' or Perm, thanks to the EU Free movement of labour
                directive and although this opens up many opportunities, especially
                for Contractors with Language skills - it can also present many difficulties
                upon their return to the UK,

                .
                Your statement is not altogether true. I have worked in eight European countries. There are different restrictions for contractors in all of them. A common one is that you must have at least 500 e capital, be able to support yourself and sign a declaration that will not claim any state benefits. Try registering as self employed in Belgium, it's a nightmare.
                "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Paddy View Post
                  Your statement is not altogether true. I have worked in eight European countries. There are different restrictions for contractors in all of them. A common one is that you must have at least 500 e capital, be able to support yourself and sign a declaration that will not claim any state benefits. Try registering as self employed in Belgium, it's a nightmare.
                  Which begs the question why Cameron is having an 'uphill struggle'
                  with the EU - stopping Benefits Migrants from the EU's poorer
                  countries, coming to the UK and taking flagrant advantage of British
                  Social Security.
                  Perhaps you should send him an email - naming the countries who
                  turn away Benefits Migrants, to bolster he's case with the EU.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tightfit View Post
                    Which begs the question why Cameron is having an 'uphill struggle'
                    with the EU - stopping Benefits Migrants from the EU's poorer
                    countries, coming to the UK and taking flagrant advantage of British
                    Social Security.
                    Perhaps you should send him an email - naming the countries who
                    turn away Benefits Migrants, to bolster he's case with the EU.
                    When I came to the UK (as an EU citizen) 9 years or so ago I had to proof I had sufficient means to be self sufficient including a private health insurance. I did not claim any benefits, rented privately and it took me just over two months to find a permie job.
                    Later when I applied for permanent residency I had to (again) supply all evidence that I was self sufficient during that period, bank account statements, statement from health insurance etc.
                    I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are rules now and you're not automatically allowed to stay indefinitely

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