Dover let down by the French. Again.

[vetran]

Type	2020 Q1	2022 Q1	Change
Passengers	1,493,395	838,287	-44%
Cars	219,321	103,309	-53%
Coaches	8,542	1,902	-77%
Road Haulage Vehicles	562,256	533,481	-5%

2020Q1 was before COVID restrictions. What explains these figures?

hmm it wasn't. The shutters went down from January onwards. I was working from home by end of Feb early March, travelling abroad ( we normally do a couple of France trips a year) was shelved.

https://www.unwto.org/news/covid-19-...l-restrictions

OThe scale of disruption caused by COVID-19 to global tourism is shown in a comprehensive new report on travel restrictions from the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO). The landmark report, published at a time of unprecedented disruption for the sector, shows that almost all global destinations have imposed restrictions on travel since January 2020, including complete bans on all travel as they work to contain the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...80%93June_2020)


https://www.niferry.co.uk/pr-port-bo...remains-solid/

The Covid-19 health crisis and subsequent restrictions on the movement of people between European countries have had a significant impact on tourist traffic through the port of Calais.

In 2020, the port suffered a loss of more than 5 million passengers, with just 3,269,237 passengers (1,447,799 without HGV drivers), a drop of 61%, and nearly 1 million vehicles with 447,127 units, representing a loss of 70% of its traffic. Coach traffic also saw an even larger drop of 84%, with 11,065 units.

Odd no Brexit mention from Calais for tourism?


Didn't the transition finish Jan 31 2020, wow the loss of so many MEP's catching the ferries must have driven the drop!

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...nsition-period

[WTFH]

hmm it wasn't. The shutters went down from January onwards. I was working from home by end of Feb early March, travelling abroad ( we normally do a couple of France trips a year) was shelved.

You mean that the numbers in 2020Q1 are lower than they should have been, so the difference between 2020 Q1 and 2022 Q1 would have been even more?

Finally, you're seeing sense.

[NotAllThere]

I attack the man because I don't understand facts I hope they don't notice that I am not adding value.

FTFY.

FTFTFY

[vetran]

You mean that the numbers in 2020Q1 are lower than they should have been, so the difference between 2020 Q1 and 2022 Q1 would have been even more?

Finally, you're seeing sense.

so the numbers of travellers fell at the start of our recent pandemic and you blame it on Brexit. OK whatever you think..

Why then are the numbers returning now? When did we rejoin?

do try to make sense!!

[WTFH]

so the numbers of travellers fell at the start of our recent pandemic and you blame it on Brexit. OK whatever you think..

Why then are the numbers returning now? When did we rejoin?

do try to make sense!!

You're the one not making sense. We're not at the start of the pandemic, yet the numbers now are massively lower than they were 2 years ago. How do you explain that?

[vetran]

You're the one not making sense. We're not at the start of the pandemic, yet the numbers now are massively lower than they were 2 years ago. How do you explain that?

OK last try

<Crayon mode>
In January 2020 the Covid Pandemic started when people decided not to travel because they didn't want to catch COVID.

I know many people who decided to not travel abroad to places (not even in the EU) because of the pandemic starting in December/January.

Personally we normally do a trip to France a few times a year but because of COVID we didn't the chance of catching it before a vaccine or being trapped in a country when they closed their borders were risks intelligent people chose not to make.

Also in January 2020 many countries including parts of the EU started to make it difficult for people to travel. This was made clear in the UN link I posted.

so in 2020 Q1 the traffic especially tourism fell massively not the link to Calais port suggests their freight traffic only fell slightly.

The Pandemic has only really come under control recently due to vaccines and mutations making it less lethal. This has meant a resurgence off tourism. The various tourist suppliers Airlines/Airports/Ferries have restructured during the pandemic as despite government support the lack of business has affected them negatively. Many have laid of staff and fired & rehired they now have insufficient staff to service their returning government.

Now Brexit was unlikely to affect tourism (the bit that fell) as the rules for tourists have not significantly changed, the drop in freight is much less pronounced . Its possible some of the drop in Freight was affected by Brexit but its not the main reason for the falling figures.

If as it seems the traffic is recovering slowly what has changed we are still out of the EU so it can't be Brexit.
</Crayon mode>

[Paddy]

Now Brexit was unlikely to affect tourism (the bit that fell) as the rules for tourists have not significantly changed, the drop in freight is much less pronounced . Its possible some of the drop in Freight was affected by Brexit but its not the main reason for the falling figures.

If as it seems the traffic is recovering slowly what has changed we are still out of the EU so it can't be Brexit.

What planet are you on FFS?
The rules and regulations for travellers to and from the EU have changed enormously since Brexit. The negative consequences are long-term and have been spelt out to you numerous times

[WTFH]

OK last try


In January 2020 the Covid Pandemic started when people decided not to travel because they didn't want to catch COVID.

I know many people who decided to not travel abroad to places (not even in the EU) because of the pandemic starting in December/January.

Personally we normally do a trip to France a few times a year but because of COVID we didn't the chance of catching it before a vaccine or being trapped in a country when they closed their borders were risks intelligent people chose not to make.

Also in January 2020 many countries including parts of the EU started to make it difficult for people to travel. This was made clear in the UN link I posted.

so in 2020 Q1 the traffic especially tourism fell massively not the link to Calais port suggests their freight traffic only fell slightly.

The Pandemic has only really come under control recently due to vaccines and mutations making it less lethal. This has meant a resurgence off tourism. The various tourist suppliers Airlines/Airports/Ferries have restructured during the pandemic as despite government support the lack of business has affected them negatively. Many have laid of staff and fired & rehired they now have insufficient staff to service their returning government.

Now Brexit was unlikely to affect tourism (the bit that fell) as the rules for tourists have not significantly changed, the drop in freight is much less pronounced . Its possible some of the drop in Freight was affected by Brexit but its not the main reason for the falling figures.

If as it seems the traffic is recovering slowly what has changed we are still out of the EU so it can't be Brexit.

You're so stuck in trying to make a point that you've not even looked at what the port of dover is saying. Comparing Q1 2020 with Q1 2022 there has been a MASSIVE drop in traffic.
There was MORE traffic in Q1 2020 than in Q1 2022.

Why is that?

[vetran]

You're so stuck in trying to make a point that you've not even looked at what the port of dover is saying. Comparing Q1 2020 with Q1 2022 there has been a MASSIVE drop in traffic.
There was MORE traffic in Q1 2020 than in Q1 2022.

Why is that?

Maybe after 2 years of lockdowns people are only just starting to travel again? Being stuck in a foreign country after your holiday is a problem.

[TestMangler]

OK last try


In January 2020 the Covid Pandemic started when people decided not to travel because they didn't want to catch COVID.

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The UK's first travel restrictions were introduced on March 23rd, with recommendations to restrict travel about a week earlier. Only a small part of Q1 2020 was subject to any restrictions at all.