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    #31
    Originally posted by Whorty View Post
    Name a couple of regs that our farmers could have changed to help them, that currently hinders them but not the French. And don't just quote "CAP", actually explain what the impact is on our farmers compared to the French.
    French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?

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      #32
      Originally posted by woohoo View Post
      French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?

      Kinda depends how you look at it. It's like £350m versus 2.4% of government spend. One makes great marketing spin, the other puts it into perspective.

      UK farmers used to get €28b per year. UK farming contributes about 0.6% to the UK economy.
      French farmers receive about €63b per year. They contribute around 1.8% to the French economy.

      So, they contribute 3x as much to the economy, but receive just over 2x as much in subsidies.
      Maybe if UK farmers contributed more to the economy, they'd have got more in subsidies.
      I'm perfect, in a very specific and limited way.
      Hands... out infractions
      Face... the music
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        #33
        Originally posted by woohoo View Post
        French farmers receive a bigger subsidy than UK counterparts so they cant compete on a level playing field. The entire policy is mainly for the benefit of French farmers. You must be trolling to ask this question?
        No, no, he's very intelligent, very successful and very rich. I think he may have mentioned this

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          #34
          So. About these blue passports....

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            #35
            Originally posted by WTFH View Post

            Maybe if UK farmers contributed more to the economy, they'd have got more in subsidies.
            Well that's the thing if you could target and encourage farmers in the UK to be more efficient and perhaps to target different types of farming etc you could make it more profitable. As it is we just finance the French farmers and those with the bigger farms win.

            I appreciate you validating my argument.
            Last edited by woohoo; 6 March 2020, 17:10.

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              #36
              Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
              So. About these blue passports....
              The blue passports are great. Again, an open Britain had them made in France or Poland, doesn't matter. Just shows how open we are.

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                #37
                Originally posted by woohoo View Post
                Well that's the thing if you could target and encourage farmers in the UK to be more efficient and perhaps to target different types of farming etc you could make it more profitable.

                So you're saying that the UK assigned the funds to the wrong British farmers?

                There's 2 pillars to CAP - the BPS and Rural Development. Both are overseen by DEFRA. In countries like Germany, the rural development side takes <5% of the budget. The UK government takes 15%. Yes, over 3x the amount that other countries take.
                Then each government decides on their own rules as to how they are going to allocate out the funds. It's called a direct payment, but it all goes through HM Gov.

                Don't you understand how the process worked?
                I'm perfect, in a very specific and limited way.
                Hands... out infractions
                Face... the music
                Space... between the ears

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                  Such as?
                  Normal lightbulbs, powerful vacuum cleaners and hair-dryers, there was talk about banning petrol lawn-mowers, but I believe that's still pending. I'm sure there's plenty more (kettles and toasters etc) but it's nearly pub o'clock...
                  His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
                    powerful vacuum cleaners ...
                    Ah yes, better buy an Asian-made Dyson than a British made Henry, because the Dyson has a more powerful motor, even though it’s a worse vacuum cleaner.

                    Brexiteer logic of hating British business is truly astounding.
                    I'm perfect, in a very specific and limited way.
                    Hands... out infractions
                    Face... the music
                    Space... between the ears

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                      Ah yes, better buy an Asian-made Dyson than a British made Henry, because the Dyson has a more powerful motor, even though it’s a worse vacuum cleaner.

                      Brexiteer logic of hating British business is truly astounding.
                      You sound like you've been in the pub already. All day, in fact...
                      His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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