Tomorrow's going to be interesting in Parliament

[jamesbrown]

Ultimately, parliament should be able to stop the government leaving with No Deal. Otherwise, the UK is in very deep do-do, and not principally because of No Deal Brexit.

But they can and they will. I don’t see how it happens without a GE first. There may be several court battles in between.

[DealorNoDeal]

Best laid plans of mice and men...

Anyone, on either side of the divide, who thinks they can control/steer this monster is deluding themselves.

Embrace the chaos!

[Old Greg]

But they can and they will. I don’t see how it happens without a GE first. There may be several court battles in between.

Primary legislation can ultimately stop a No Deal.

[BrilloPad]

Primary legislation can ultimately stop a No Deal.

Only by insisting the UK stays. If the EU does not offer an extension(I was never clear why they ever offered an extension in the first place : the current mess does no-one any good) then the UK can only stay.

[Old Greg]

Only by insisting the UK stays. If the EU does not offer an extension(I was never clear why they ever offered an extension in the first place : the current mess does no-one any good) then the UK can only stay.

Exactly. But the EU is likely to offer an extension, rather than be stuck with a failing state as a member.

[BrilloPad]

Exactly. But the EU is likely to offer an extension, rather than be stuck with a failing state as a member.

Though I have to say EU politicians seem far better than UK ones......

[jamesbrown]

Primary legislation can ultimately stop a No Deal.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. They will pass primary legislation. I expect the AG and Nikki da Costa would resign if that Bill were not sent for RA or, worse, completely ignored once an Act (plus, they would lose in court).

[OwlHoot]

Interesting...

Boris Johnson to call for snap election BEFORE October 31 Brexit date if he loses to rebels this week

Sounds plausible, but could also be an attempt to influence proceedings tomorrow (i.e., rebels will know they have only a few days left as MPs; but most of them don't care and many have already announced that they're standing down).

He'd have to be completely potty or deluded to allow an election before the October 31st deadline, or be actually planning some doomed scheme to water down Brexit despite all his tough words.

Why should Brexit-supporting Tory voters trust him to deliver when the Tories have failed dismally to do so for three years, and given that an outright Tory win would give them a free pass to kick the can down the road for several more years?!

[OwlHoot]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. They will pass primary legislation. I expect the AG and Nikki da Costa would resign if that Bill were not sent for RA or, worse, completely ignored once an Act (plus, they would lose in court).

It is well within HMQ's constitutional powers to postpone or decline assent to a bill passed by Parliament but not initially put forward by the Government, especially if the PM advises her to do so.

[jamesbrown]

It is well within HMQ's constitutional powers to postpone or decline assent to a bill passed by Parliament but not initially put forward by the Government, especially if the PM advises her to do so.

Sure, it's possible to use the RA process to block a Bill from RA. This has been done a handful of times in the past. Once during the Iraq war, for example. However, any Ministerial advice to the Queen is justiciable.

There are shenanigans. Many. We have an unwritten constitution. However, I think the actual actions of the gov't cut through some of the fluff (assuming they aren't being very clever clever about something). They are offering a GE. That suggests that they don't have a route to block legislation with a good % chance. Afterall, like you said, a pre-Brexit election is going to be very tricky. All indications are that the gov't is cornered. But we'll see...