Boris gets the check book out.

[northernladuk]

we'll have to agree to differ in our opinion.

I've always referred to the Republic of Ireland as Eire to distinguish it from Northern Ireland. Wiki refers to its diminishing use, but as I've said, it depends entirely on how individuals have used the term in the past, just as I've illustrated with the cities of India..

Republic of Ireland - General accepted shortened term being - Ireland - translated in to local tongue - Eire

They are all the same surely? Doesn't matter if you call it either of those. Anyone you speak to who isn't a moron will know what you mean.

There is no confusion with Northern Ireland as that is Northern Ireland. No other names.

If you are talking about Ireland the island you'll have to be clear when defining. Very rarely will anyone talk about Ireland the island so it's not really worth bothering about. That's adding a pedentic issue in that doesn't really exist.

Letting pedantry and wikipedia pages confuse this is just silly no?

[Zigenare]

Republic of Ireland - General accepted shortened term being - Ireland - translated in to local tongue - Eire

They are all the same surely? Doesn't matter if you call it either of those. Anyone you speak to who isn't a moron will know what you mean.

There is no confusion with Northern Ireland as that is Northern Ireland. No other names.

If you are talking about Ireland the island you'll have to be clear when defining. Very rarely will anyone talk about Ireland the island so it's not really worth bothering about. That's adding a pedentic issue in that doesn't really exist.

Letting pedantry and wikipedia pages confuse this is just silly no?

Can you do that in your famous Reverend Ian Paisley impersonation voice?

Ah go on, go on, go on, go on!

[WTFH]

Can you do that in your famous Reverend Ian Paisley impersonation voice?

Ah go on, go on, go on, go on!

Can he?

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

[DaveB]

Can he?

Yes he can.

[JohntheBike]

Republic of Ireland - General accepted shortened term being - Ireland - translated in to local tongue - Eire

They are all the same surely? Doesn't matter if you call it either of those. Anyone you speak to who isn't a moron will know what you mean.

There is no confusion with Northern Ireland as that is Northern Ireland. No other names.

If you are talking about Ireland the island you'll have to be clear when defining. Very rarely will anyone talk about Ireland the island so it's not really worth bothering about. That's adding a pedentic issue in that doesn't really exist.

Letting pedantry and wikipedia pages confuse this is just silly no?

This discussion wandered of the original point. Irrespective of what the parties were called, prior to both the Republic of Ireland and the UK joining the EU, there were arrangements in place between the two countries. Yes, we know there was a hard border, which everyone wants to avoid now, but exactly how was trade between the two nations conducted at that time?

Did cargo ships sail directly from Belfast to Holyhead, or did lorries drive down to Dublin, as they do now, to travel across to Holyhead? Younger generations seem to forget that the UK had existed for many years alongside the Republic of Ireland without both being members of the EU, irrespective of the border situation, whilst still continuing to trade.

[Old Greg]

This discussion wandered of the original point. Irrespective of what the parties were called, prior to both the Republic of Ireland and the UK joining the EU, there were arrangements in place between the two countries. Yes, we know there was a hard border, which everyone wants to avoid now, but exactly how was trade between the two nations conducted at that time?

Did cargo ships sail directly from Belfast to Holyhead, or did lorries drive down to Dublin, as they do now, to travel across to Holyhead? Younger generations seem to forget that the UK had existed for many years alongside the Republic of Ireland without both being members of the EU, irrespective of the border situation, whilst still continuing to trade.

THe Irish Free State introduced a customs border in 1923, partly (IIRC) to deal with the economic crisis post the civil war, and partly to give employment to an oversized military. The customs border remained in place until the single market was introduced in 1993. Nobody wants to go back to that (except the hard core Brexiteers who don't GAS). It is particularly difficult when it comes to the livestock and dairy products (e.g. milk for processing).

[WTFH]

Boris gets the check book out.

Did cargo ships sail directly from Belfast to Holyhead, or did lorries drive down to Dublin, as they do now, to travel across to Holyhead? Younger generations seem to forget that the UK had existed for many years alongside the Republic of Ireland without both being members of the EU, irrespective of the border situation, whilst still continuing to trade.

Younger generations forget, and older ones (like you) don’t know, so just guess/make assumptions.

The journey from Belfast was either to Stranraer/Cairnryan or to Liverpool. There’s multiple reasons for that, not just due to the delays at border checkpoints and the paperwork processes.
For example: Prior to the late 1990s, the 100 mile drive from Belfast to Dublin docks would take 3 hours on a clear run, normally 4+ (these times are for cars, not lorries). The main road connecting the two cities did not have many parts that were dual carriageway and it went through every town on the way.

Thanks to EU funding, the road network was improved in Ireland, and also in Wales, so that journey time was greatly reduced. That still doesn’t mean that most cargo bound for Belfast goes through Dublin. It doesn’t. It still comes in to Belfast dock. In fact 20% of the seaborne freight for the whole of Ireland (North and South) goes through the Port of Belfast.

So, next time before you spout nonsense about how the younger generation don’t know, maybe check if you know yourself, rather than making it up.

[JohntheBike]

Younger generations forget, and older ones (like you) don’t know, so just guess/make assumptions.

The journey from Belfast was either to Stranraer/Cairnryan or to Liverpool. There’s multiple reasons for that, not just due to the delays at border checkpoints and the paperwork processes.
For example: Prior to the late 1990s, the 100 mile drive from Belfast to Dublin docks would take 3 hours on a clear run, normally 4+ (these times are for cars, not lorries). The main road connecting the two cities did not have many parts that were dual carriageway and it went through every town on the way.

Thanks to EU funding, the road network was improved in Ireland, and also in Wales, so that journey time was greatly reduced. That still doesn’t mean that most cargo bound for Belfast goes through Dublin. It doesn’t. It still comes in to Belfast dock. In fact 20% of the seaborne freight for the whole of Ireland (North and South) goes through the Port of Belfast.

So, next time before you spout nonsense about how the younger generation don’t know, maybe check if you know yourself, rather than making it up.

I was referring to those who weren't alive when the UK wasn't a member of the EU, and had no experience of life as it was then.

However, your detailed information confirmed what I already understood and that was that most traffic from Belfast to mainland UK, prior to the UK joining the EU, did not go through Dublin to Holyhead. Current arguments being put forward contend that the passage of goods from Belfast to mainland UK must continue to pass through Dublin, when this may not necessarily need to be the case.

[Old Greg]

I was referring to those who weren't alive when the UK wasn't a member of the UK, and had no experience of life as it was then.

However, your detailed information confirmed what I already understood and that was that most traffic from Belfast to mainland UK, prior to the UK joining the EU, did not go through Dublin to Holyhead. Current arguments being put forward contend that the passage of goods from Belfast to mainland UK must continue to pass through Dublin, when this may not necessarily need to be the case.

[darmstadt]

I was referring to those who weren't alive when the UK wasn't a member of the UK, and had no experience of life as it was then.

Was it part of Narnia and now wants to return?