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This time it will be also be a vote of confidence, simply to add to the drama.
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Sorted.Originally posted by SimonMac View Post"I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
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Nothing to indicate its a vote of confidence. In fact, nothing different from MV1, MV2 or MV3.Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThis time it will be also be a vote of confidence, simply to add to the drama.
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Yeah, it's different from those because you can't bring back a Second Reading (of the same bill in the same session).Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
Won't be a confidence vote in the gov't though.
Also doesn't mean a new session.
Best they can hope for is that Labour abstain and it gets through to Third Reading, whereupon it will be amended and then fall there.
Second Reading usually isn't an issue.
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If the withdrawal bill doesn't go through the parliamentary session ends in failure. If the government can't get the Queen's speech through it falls.
It is highly likely that if the withdrawal bill fails that the Queen's speech also fails. A new Tory PM won't change the arithmetic.
That means in effect this vote will be a no confidence vote.
As explained by Theo Usherwood from LBC.
Be afraid ......
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Hearing things on the interweb or on the radio doesn't represent an understanding.Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostIf the withdrawal bill doesn't go through the parliamentary session ends in failure. If the government can't get the Queen's speech through it falls.
It is highly likely that if the withdrawal bill fails that the Queen's speech also fails. A new Tory PM won't change the arithmetic.
That means in effect this vote will be a no confidence vote.
As explained by Theo Usherwood from LBC.
Be afraid ......
There's nothing more to do before the summer recess.
Everything that happens afterwards is about whether the Tories fear No Deal or Korbyn more.
If the WAB fails, the PM will resign before the recess, the recess will happen, a new PM will be chosen for the Tory conference, the new PM will have a new policy platform (snowflakes will cry and gnash their teeth, comfort blanket exports will boom).
After the recess, the new PM will face a choice between seeking a No Deal "by accident" (i.e. "I don't want one, honest guv") or by advocating for it, in which case a GE will be needed (seems unlikely to me for the same reason). Obviously, the new session of Parliament will try to stop this in whatever way it can, but the new PM may prefer tactics that TM didn't prefer.
Either way, we're not into the territory of the gov't falling until much further down the line around, say, October 31 () at which point the Tories will have a stark choice between a hard brexit then or Korbyn then (followed by a good chance of Korbyn later, either way).
The idea that the gov't is going to fall in early June when the WAB fails is, well, cretinous.
HTH.
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So you are getting your facts from LBC now? The station that brought you Nigel Farage.....Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostIf the withdrawal bill doesn't go through the parliamentary session ends in failure. If the government can't get the Queen's speech through it falls.
It is highly likely that if the withdrawal bill fails that the Queen's speech also fails. A new Tory PM won't change the arithmetic.
That means in effect this vote will be a no confidence vote.
As explained by Theo Usherwood from LBC.
Be afraid ......Comment
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Does anyone seriously believe that if the withdrawal bill fails for the final time in early June, and it will be the final vote, that parliament will simply go home and wait for the no deal on 31st October.
...and presumably Unicorns will be flying around outside Westminster.
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So, for the avoidance of doubt, your prediction is that the gov't will fall in the first two weeks of June, right?Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostDoes anyone seriously believe that if the withdrawal bill fails for the final time in early June, and it will be the final vote, that parliament will simply go home and wait for the no deal on 31st October.
Let's return to this in, say, one month in order to mock the cretin that was wrong. M'kay?
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