Second referendum (split from the gammons thread)

[BrilloPad]

Better to have a referendum first to determine how the UK leaves.

I have gone right off referendums.

Especially one where the people have to vote a certain way. And there is big trouble if people don't vote the way they ought to.

I would back anything to try to heal the country now. The unicorns can run the UK and I would be in favour.

[BlasterBates]

Looks like it will be Corbyn's Brexit.

May to cave in to Corbyn's demands on Brexit

be afraid

[BlasterBates]

Looks like it will be a Brexit that no-one wants, however the misery will be spread equally amongst both camps.

sorted !

[scooterscot]

Least above all else the decision taken by most was a protest against the elite. It was nothing to do with leaving the EU. That much was clear from the interviews of many the day after.

Like a repeat of the late 1930's all over again. Every time there's a debt cycle, a growing divide between the haves and the have nots, they rise and use their vote to protest even if it results in a less fortunate outcome.

We're heading for depression, no question of it. Even if the UK left tomorrow, the EU fell apart the next day, there'd be nothing to celebrate anywhere. Apparently living in Switzerland during the 1940's was not bad.

[Whorty]

Who rattled your cage Spuddy?

Nobody should even be considering returning to the people until the very thing that they manifestly and convincingly requested be enacted has come to pass.

But it wasn't convincingly was it, that's the whole point. As your demi-god pointed out pre referendum, a 52/48 remain win would result in him and his clan continuing to campaign for another referendum. The fact you can't understand this speaks volumes about your intellect

It is not good enough to suggest that the complete and utter failure of the Politicos that purportedly represent us, and whom we vote into power to fulfill this mandate (when we are speaking about Referendums such as this) somehow gives grounds for a recount.

These would be the politicos voted in AFTER the referendum? You wanted our parliament to be sovereign, you voted them in, this is what you get. You complain that Westminster is full of remain leaning MPs .... doesn't this just show that the public do not want UKIP in power? You're in a minority ... suck it up buttercup

Hark....is that the sound of a pompous Whorty strutting towards this post in search of some phrase, word, or context that he can then go bleating to the Mods about like the whining malcontent he is?

Here I am You do realise I didn't get Ziggy or anyone else banned? You idiots get yourselves banned as you can't keep your racist comments to yourselves It's hardly my fault that you're a dick A bit hypocritical too, given your right wing pals are trying to get the word gammon banned

[Yorkie62]

Looks like it will be a Brexit that no-one wants, however the misery will be spread equally amongst both camps.

sorted !

Not quite true that. JC wants a Brexit like the one he is negotiating with TM. Or at least that is what he is saying currently. Tomorrow, next week who knows

[woohoo]

FTFY

What I find extraordinary is the number of people who think that once something has been voted on - that's it. No one can ever change their mind. Society's view cannot change. The "will of the people" is fixed at an invariant time point and must never ever be questioned.

The number of people who fail to understand that British parliamentary democracy means that when all else fails (like a government actually having a majority), MPs get to choose what they think is the best for the country.

If there is a new referendum and the majority vote yes - or indeed vote no - that is just as democratic as the original vote. Perhaps even more so, since across the opinion spectrum far more people have educated themselves on the implication. Who knew what the Norway option meant back in 2016?

I don't think people fail to understand how the British parliamentary democracy works Nat. It's a bit simple to say that and quite condescending, smacks of personal insecurity, if I'm being harsh.

If you hold a referendum you should respect the vote and leave the EU, regardless of your personal opinion whether its good or bad for the country.

I would have more respect for MP's if they just came out and said look I think the public are wrong and I don't want to leave the EU so I'm ignoring their vote. Then we would all know how little MPs think of the public opinion.

[meridian]

If you hold a referendum you should respect the vote and leave the EU, regardless of your personal opinion whether its good or bad for the country.

It was advisory. If you wanted it to be binding, you should have said so before the referendum.

Given that the country has discussed little else for the last three years, the advisory vote has been respected.

[NotAllThere]

It's a bit simple to say that and quite condescending, smacks of personal insecurity, if I'm being harsh.

You've accused me of that before. At least you're polite about it. But as the great philosopher Popeye said "I am what I am".

[Yorkie62]

It was advisory. If you wanted it to be binding, you should have said so before the referendum.

Given that the country has discussed little else for the last three years, the advisory vote has been respected.

Not really because the result of the advisory vote was to leave the EU and we haven't done that yet. The results didn't say least discuss this for the next 3 years, maybe 4 or 5, and do **** all.

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