We will control our borders

[WTFH]

But we have had the conversation guys - we agreed that many many people voted to leave not because of tulip written on the side of a bus - or nigel's posters

More it was that we simply did not feel that the EU had the best interests of the British citizens at it's heart - and in fact it was felt that the Eu was going to simply ride roughshod over Europe and we did not want to be a part of that.

The fact that you are all sat there complaining about the fact things may cost a bit more shows that you really did not think this through at all.

I am just disappointed.

No, it was thought through. The EU was portrayed as riding roughshod over Europe - and still is portrayed that way by Brexit supporters. Read the threads on here, how many times is "The EU" blamed for something that a private company does, just because the company is based in Europe? How many times is "The EU" blamed for things that "The EU" has nothing to do with?
There's a thread on here today where pallets were discussed. The pro-Brexit line was that "EU Nations" were the cause of the problem and that "The EU going to send a load of ninjas over to steal them"
Take a look at the words you use, then tell us who is blaming "The EU" and you show no interest in discussing the possibility that your worldview is so twisted in hatred against the EU that you can't tell the difference between fantasy and fact.

As you said yourself "Surely there is an easy solution", and yet you (or anyone in the Brexit camp) have yet to present a viable solution to any of the questions that get raised.

I am disappointed that it is impossible to get facts and details from Brexit supporters.

[Zigenare]

Bulltulip alert

You may have had that conversation in your little head, but the evidence is all over the internet that the main reason people voted out was immigration.

You're pretending it's something else now that you've been shown that you were lied to and had the wool pulled over your eyes. You was fooled. You're an idiot. Get over it

There's "evidence" all over the internet that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

Pretty much every point of view can be backed up by selective quoting from the internet.

[WTFH]

There's "evidence" all over the internet that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

Pretty much every point of view can be backed up by selective quoting from the internet.

Does that mean that any claim must be accepted as fact and not challenged because all sources must be considered fake? If so, ten Brexit has successfully brought in Newspeak (although it's been obvious for a while that this is the will of the people - to avoid the truth in favour of making up slogans that make you feel better about yourself)

[Zigenare]

Does that mean that any claim must be accepted as fact and not challenged because all sources must be considered fake? If so, ten Brexit has successfully brought in Newspeak (although it's been obvious for a while that this is the will of the people - to avoid the truth in favour of making up slogans that make you feel better about yourself)

Of course not.

[WTFH]

Of course not.

So is it acceptable that if an unsubstantiated claim is made, that someone can ask for evidence and expect to have it provided?

And if no evidence is forthcoming, but there is strong evidence (e.g. multiple sources or legal/government documents) to the contrary, that perhaps the claim was false?

[BlasterBates]

Speaking of fantasies, a Brexiteer rang into the Nigel Farage show, ranting about the fact that people would be conscripted against their will into an EU army.

[Zigenare]

So is it acceptable that if an unsubstantiated claim is made, that someone can ask for evidence and expect to have it provided?

And if no evidence is forthcoming, but there is strong evidence (e.g. multiple sources or legal/government documents) to the contrary, that perhaps the claim was false?

If you wish to make assumptions.

[Whorty]

There's "evidence" all over the internet that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese.

Pretty much every point of view can be backed up by selective quoting from the internet.

OK, let me make it more simple for you ... there is evidence all over the internet of those who voted out saying it was because of immigration. News reports, interviewing leave voters has those voters talking about immigration being out of control and we are going to take back control of our borders.

It was the linchpin of the leave campaign; if we vote out, we can take back control of our borders and reduce immigration. This will increase average wages. We will have jobs for 'our own' (ironically unemployment is low so who is going to do the jobs is a mystery).

Also ironic, none EU immigration is higher than EU immigration; it was before the ref, it still is now. We could always control this immigration so there was nothing to 'take back' control of.

But yeah, you keep telling yourself that you voted out for other reasons.

Be interesting to know if any/many of the leave voters on here admit to voting out to their work colleagues or clients. You'll all say you're not ashamed by voting out, but how many of you really admit it in polite society?

[Whorty]

Speaking of fantasies, a Brexiteer rang into the Nigel Farage show, ranting about the fact that people would be conscripted against their will into an EU army.

tbf, most of the brexidiots on here believe that lie too. One does wonder what they read to get such crazy, made up ideas.

[WTFH]

If you wish to make assumptions.

So, what is truth then? Because if you say that "evidence" is only making assumptions, then is truth just an assumption as well?