Nissan abandoning plans to build the X-Trail in Sunderland

[BlasterBates]

Latest Construction PMI figures are in

United Kingdom Construction Pmi | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

job creation was the weakest in two-and-a-half years as Brexit uncertainty had led to hesitancy among clients and a corresponding slowdown in progress on new projects.

[Old Greg]

I do not think anyone is denying that

But what is being said is that things are not going to get worse - they are just not going to potentially get something they may have potentially got had Brexit not happened.

The Quashai will continue to be manufactured in Sunderland which is useful when you consider where Nissan's largest European Market is.

Nissan reports Europe sales for March 2018

So manufacturing will wither on the vine as per Minford? New investment will go elsewhere and current plant will age and be wound down. Of course if there's a no deal Brexit, all bets are off.

[original PM]

So manufacturing will wither on the vine as per Minford? New investment will go elsewhere and current plant will age and be wound down. Of course if there's a no deal Brexit, all bets are off.

I disagree, the UK is a great consumer of goods - one of the largest in the EU therefore there will always be a need for goods to be manufactured here.

I think however that there has always been a race to the bottom in terms of the manufacturing industry - thus why Apple phones are made by 12 year olds in China and nobody seems to care.

And the UK will not be in a position to compete - not due to Brexit but due to the fact the people in the UK expect to be paid more than 2 turnips a week.

In addition not sure I want to trust the life of my loved ones in a car that's been built by someone with limited education being paid two turnips a week.

[Whorty]

Semantic gymnastics.

You'd know all about that.

HTH

Here we go again ... different day, same tactic. Keep it up fella

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[Old Greg]

I disagree, the UK is a great consumer of goods - one of the largest in the EU therefore there will always be a need for goods to be manufactured here.

Let's pause there. Explain that logical leap.

[Whorty]

I do not think anyone is denying that

But what is being said is that things are not going to get worse - they are just not going to potentially get something they may have potentially got had Brexit not happened.

The Quashai will continue to be manufactured in Sunderland which is useful when you consider where Nissan's largest European Market is.

Nissan reports Europe sales for March 2018

What you've not grasped yet, is not just the fact the investment is moving from the UK, but also why it is gong to Japan and not the EU. Whilst we had access to the EU market Nissan were happy to manufacture here as we provided them access to the largest single market in the world. They don't need us anymore though as Japan now has a trade deal with the EU that allows them the access that we used to give them. They are likely to run down the UK plants over the coming years as we no longer have anything to offer - this was predicted before the 2016 ref and will devastate the economies impacted.

But, hey ho, we're taking back control and will have blue passports, so all will be good

[JohntheBike]

Nissan casts further gloom on car industry with X-Trail blow | Business News | Sky News

Probably nothing to do with Brexit.

I guess more to do with the upcoming tariff free trading rules for cars. So Nissan can now move their production to Spain or the former Eastern Block where wages are lower. Funny, didn't Ford do that when we were in the EU?

[meridian]

I guess more to do with the upcoming tariff free trading rules for cars. So Nissan can now move their production to Spain or the former Eastern Block where wages are lower. Funny, didn't Ford do that when we were in the EU?

Are wages lower in Japan?

Edit: Also, are wages for car manufacturer workers lower in Spain?

[Old Greg]

What you've not grasped yet, is not just the fact the investment is moving from the UK, but also why it is gong to Japan and not the EU. Whilst we had access to the EU market Nissan were happy to manufacture here as we provided them access to the largest single market in the world. They don't need us anymore though as Japan now has a trade deal with the EU that allows them the access that we used to give them. They are likely to run down the UK plants over the coming years as we no longer have anything to offer - this was predicted before the 2016 ref and will devastate the economies impacted.

But, hey ho, we're taking back control and will have blue passports, so all will be good

It would have been easier all round if they'd worked out that Croatia already has blue passports.

[BlasterBates]

I guess more to do with the upcoming tariff free trading rules for cars. So Nissan can now move their production to Spain or the former Eastern Block where wages are lower. Funny, didn't Ford do that when we were in the EU?

Fact is car production was increasing in the UK in the last few years.

Automotive industry in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

in 1990 the UK manufactured 1,566 vehicles, in 2016 1,817 and increasingly strongly at the time. Vehicles manufactured in 2016 have much higher added value than those from 1990.

The EU hasn't hindered the UK's car manufacturing, but Brexit probably will.

no fear there will be a boom in fruit farming